no birth record

[carol8353]

If he WAS born in the USA you would expect him to appear on the 1920 census with his parents,and he doesn't !

It's possible that he was born under his mum's surname if he was born before they married (if they actually did marry!)

Is that him (and his wife,whom I won't name incase she is still alive) appearing on the electoral rolls in Ladywood Birmingham in 45 and 50?

[pollypringle]

yes thats his death i got the date wrong!
his dad was deceased on the marriage certificate and the witnesses were relatives of my grandmother....my father doesn't know anything about his grandfather as he was brought up in a home

[carol8353]

yes thats his death i got the date wrong!
his dad was deceased on the marriage certificate and the witnesses were relatives of my grandmother....my father doesn't know anything about his grandfather as he was brought up in a home

That's the end of that idea then 
His Army service records would be the next way to go then as Rosie suggested earlier.
They do take quite a few weeks,or even months to come through though- be patient 

Carol 

[pollypringle]

yes that is them & no she isn't alive any longer 

[LizzieL]

Looking at the two Stephen Trueloves.
The Warwickshire one married in 1907 to Georgina M L Tyacke. As well as the James Henry born before 1911, they had another son John T Truelove in 1913. This Stephen died in 1949 and administration was granted to James Henry Truelove and John Tyacke Truelove. Georgina M L Truelove died in 1936.
There is a marriage of a Stephen Truelove to Phyllis E Richardson in Lutterworth District in 1931. I assume this is the Leicestershire Stephen who is unmarried in 1911 because of the location and assuming Stephen (1) and Georgina had not divorced. A son is born in 1933 reg dist Lutterworth mother's maiden name Richardson (may be still alive so not named), can't find any further children for this couple. Stephen died in 1953 with probate going to a Mr Harrison auctioneer/ estate agent and a Mr Morgan farmer, so it sounds like he had no surviving close relatives.
So when Alexander Truelove married in 1941, both these Stephens were alive. 

[carol8353]

Stephen may just be a made up name,for the sake of Alexander's marriage cert.
That often happens to hide illegitimacy.

[LizzieL]

I think that's a strong possibiloity, I can't see any obvious connection with either of the Stephens or with Phyllis Richardson. I would be surprised if the death cert is going to give any more information since the birth date on the index entry is "unknown". It looks as though the informant was not close to him and so less likely to know place of birth than date.

[carol8353]

I wonder what he was doing on Birmingham to marry there in 1941(during war time of course) and to still be there on electoral rolls up to at least 1950.Looks like there were quite a few kids born there too

What job does it says he was doing on his marriage cert ?

[pollypringle]

on his marriage certificate he was a caster? i have the name of the person who dealt with his funeral etc..and the address he was living at when he died.
I cannot find any info about him either as i thought if he was still alive or had family i might be able to get information from them there is no birth registered with his name or electoral roll!!

thankyou for all the information you have found it seems grandad might of been a secretive guy