My Great Grandfather

[sparkyhaze]

Hi all,

I recently started tracing my family history. My great grandfather, Albert Edward Brown, has always been a mystery to me as he was from Nottingham and my great grandmother, Roseanne McCann, was from Ireland. They married here in Dublin in February 1909 and then I presume moved to Nottingham as my grandfather was born there in November of 1909. However, at some point she returned to Dublin but no one here knows when or why.

I have tried to find out when Albert died but the death cert I ordered I'm not sure if it is correct as it lists his wife as a G Brown. I know in the 1911 census Albert was living with his mother Harriett in 22-24 Handel Street, Nottingham with no wife listed. He was also listed as a army pensioner aged 23.

I would be so grateful if anyone could tell me when Albert died or if he re-married and possibly when Harriett died.

Also I have attached a photo of Albert in his uniform. I would love to know what area of the British armed forces he was with. We always assumed he was in Ireland working and that's where he met Roseanne but I have nothing to confirm or deny this old family rumour. 

Thanks all, Hazel

http://mediasvc.ancestry.co.uk/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/235dfe0e-1eba-47fd-818d-aaa2673b2224?client=TreesUI

[lizdb]

Does his occupation on his marriage cert give any clues? Was he in the army then?

[sparkyhaze]

Does his occupation on his marriage cert give any clues? Was he in the army then?

Oh I never even thought of that. Thanks.
I only have a letter from the General Register Office that Roseanne received at a much later date to say that they were married at that time but I don't actually have the marriage certificate.
I will head into the National Archive and see can I dig it up.
Thanks so much for your help.

[KGarrad]

What was the name of your grandfather, born 1909?

[sparkyhaze]

What was the name of your grandfather, born 1909?

My grandfather was Arthur William Brown born 21st November 1909 in Nottingham.

[larkspur]

Baptisms at Nottingham St Mary
9-11-1888 Albert Edward Brown son of John and Harriet abode 9 King St father a Warper.
The following are all baptised the same date with the same parent details, batch baptisms 
Arthur, William, Elizabeth, Harriett, John and Clara.
The children were with their parents on the 1891 census with Arthur W the eldest at 15 and Albert Edward the youngest at 3.
1881 census the family are in 9 King Street. John b Beeston aged 29 a cotton warper.
1861 census there is a John Brown aged 9 born Beeston in Denmark St with his parents Jonathan and Lucy.
Marriage Nottingham St Mary
28-5-1848 Jonathan Brown and Lucy Lowten.

MY GOODNESS- just on the off chance I looked for the baptism of your grandfather on NFHS, very unlikely as it only usually goes to 1900 but there he is!!
Nottingham St Patrick R C Born 21-11-1909 baptised 12-12-1909 Arthur william son of Albert Edward Brown and Rose Ann McCann abode Corner of Luke St.

[sparkyhaze]

Baptisms at Nottingham St Mary
9-11-1888 Albert Edward Brown son of John and Harriet abode 9 King St father a Warper.
The following are all baptised the same date with the same parent details, batch baptisms 
Arthur, William, Elizabeth, Harriett, John and Clara.
The children were with their parents on the 1891 census with Arthur W the eldest at 15 and Albert Edward the youngest at 3.
1881 census the family are in 9 King Street. John b Beeston aged 29 a cotton warper.
1861 census there is a John Brown aged 9 born Beeston in Denmark St with his parents Jonathan and Lucy.
Marriage Nottingham St Mary
28-5-1848 Jonathan Brown and Lucy Lowten.

MY GOODNESS- just on the off chance I looked for the baptism of your grandfather on NFHS, very unlikely as it only usually goes to 1900 but there he is!!
Nottingham St Patrick R C Born 21-11-1909 baptised 12-12-1909 Arthur william son of Albert Edward Brown and Rose Ann McCann abode Corner of Luke St.

Oh wow thank you so much. I can't believe how much information you found out.
My dad even went to Nottingham a few years back and he couldn't find out much but he didn't really know what he was looking for.
This is fantastic. Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it. 

[larkspur]

  You are welcome.

[cath151]

Hi,
There is he following Army Service Record
Albert Edward Brown
Sherwood foresters 4th Battalion number 1934
Attested 29/04 1907 aged 17 1/2 NOK Mother Harriet 5 St Lukes St, Carlton Rd, Nottingham
Also elder brother William
Looks like he worked in a bobbin factory on enlistment which could fit with 1911.

Cathy