Baptism of Mary Harradine circa 1705 ...

[bedfordshire boy]

Many thanks John. I don't think there's much doubt that this is the right family. Langford parish register is missing up to 1717 as are the BTs from 1641-59, 1665 & 1667-9, but fortunately there's a baptism of William Harden on 8 Mar 1666/7 son of Eustace and Ann which coupled with the baptism of his son Eustace persuades me that this is the right William.

The BT for 1688 is also missing and this is the year when William and Ruth are likely to have married given the baptism of their first known child in July 1689. And with the gaps in the BTs at the time Ruth would have been baptised I have a feeling  that her maiden name is probably lost for posterity.
 
I'm having the same problem with Ann (Gibson) - she could have been born in 1688 where the BT is missing but I can't see why her marriage to Mr Gibson is also missing.

Thanks again

David

[johnP-bedford]

I'm having the same problem with Ann (Gibson) - she could have been born in 1688 where the BT is missing but I can't see why her marriage to Mr Gibson is also missing.

Langford has a baptism on 25 Dec 1701 of Hannah daughter of William & Elizabeth Harding. Could William have remarried after Ruth died & this is daughter Ann ?


** interesting - just seen on FamilySearch baptism at Langford on 2 Oct 1698 of Ann daughter of William & Elizabeth HARDEN, sure it's not in the PR
*** later ...yes it is, must have missed it
 

[bedfordshire boy]

Good thinking John. William and Elizabeth also baptised Ann in 1698, which would fit with a remarriage of William after Ruth's death. But I can't find a marriage of William to Elizabeth. Nor of Ann's marriage to Mr Gibson before 1742. Nor of any Gibson baptisms that fit between 1700 and 1750.

[johnP-bedford]

Morning - different storyline - more on the Harradine alias Bartle family

From Wrestlingworth PR

Marriage 12 May 1735 Thomas Bartle & Ruth Peel

Baptisms 15 Apr 1737 Ruth daughter of Thomas & Ruth Bartle
                 24 Jun 1744 Mary daughter of Thomas & Ruth Bartle
                 10 Sept 1749 William son of Thomas & Ruth Bartle alias Harridine

There's also a marriage on 11 Feb 1745/46 of William Harridine to Mary Game

From Eyeworth PR

Baptism 27 Feb 1731/32 Mary Conder daughter of Mary Harradine alias Bartell (illeg)

Burial 30 Jan 1720/21 Thomas Harradine alias Bartell, labourer

From Cockayne Hatley PR

Marriages 2 Oct 1750 Thomas Harrodine of Eyeworth to Sarah Harrodine of Shingay, Cambs
                13 Mar 1742/43 Thomas Piggot of Guilden Morden, Cambs to Mary Harradine

[bedfordshire boy]

Thanks for these JOhn. What's intriguing, and frustrating, me is where and when the alias Bartle came into the Harradine equation;

The 1690 will of Thomas Harradine that you found links back to a 1667 property transaction in which he's described as Harrowden alias Bartle. In his will he also refers to a cousin in Guilden Morden. The earliest reference to Harradine also being known as Bartle in Guilden Morden is the baptism of Edmond Bartle in 1639, whose siblings were all Harradine or something similar. So Bartle must have come from an earlier generation.

So there's Thomas in Southill, married in 1650 so born probably before 1630, and Richard, father of Edmond in Guilden Morden. Richard married in 1625 so was probably born 1600-1605ish. He had a son Thomas in 1631 but he appears to have stayed in Guilden Morden, so I don't think he was the Southill Thomas. But still worth a bit of digging.

Bank holiday here today (how can you have a bank holiday on a Saturday?) so just about everywhere is closed. But I need to check if the market is open, so the Harradines will have to wait until after lunch!

Bon weekend

David

[johnP-bedford]

Morning,  Bank holiday ? what for All Saints Day, them frenchies do have a lot of religious holidays

Anyway the Harrodine alias Bartle scenario also stretches into Dunton

From Dunton PR

Baptisms 16 Aug 1719 Mary daughter of Sarah & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell
              18 Mar 1721 Elizabeth daughter of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell
              28 Sept 1729 George son of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine alias Bartell

Marriages 7 Dec 1654 Thomas Green(e) & Avery/Abre(e) Bartle or Harradine/Harradene
               21 Sept 1718 Samuel Harradine alias Bartell & Elizabeth Fisher
               21 Sept 1733 John Goodman & Ann Bartell

Burials 24 Oct 1729 George son of Samuel & Elizabeth Haradine
           10 Jan 1744/45 Elizabeth wife of Samuel Harrowdine

There's a number of baptisms, marriages, burials at Dunton of Harradine/Harrowdine names up to 1812. If you want them let me know.

Meanwhile send me a PM with your email address (to confirm what I have) as I've just had an email from Cambs FHS that they published in 1996 about the Harradine alias Bartle in the Mordens

Off to town now as its a lovely day for November.
Going to a beer festival this evening in the Swan Hotel

Cheers John 
 

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi John

Steeple Morden & Cockayne Hatley, Cambs, Ashwell and Hinxworth, Herts, Wrestlingworth,  Dunton, Eyeworth, Beds, are all within a  3 mile radius of Guilden Morden which is where the earliest Harradines in this part of the three counties were from. There were earlier Richard Harradines in Southill in the 1500s though, so I think this is probably where the GM branch originated with Richard.

Too hot to be outside, so staying in looking for dead people!

Enjoy the beer festival.

David

[johnP-bedford]

Talking of Hinxworth.... I found in the Banns at Dunton dated 20 Dec 1789 for marriage of Thomas Upton to Ann Harradine of Hinxworth.

[jbml]

I hesitate to intrude here, because you two are obviously having a grand old time trying to fit together the pieces of the Harradine family jigsaw (and what a complex old thing it is!!)

I just thought I'd mention that "my" Mary Harradine married Richard Richardson in Potton on 29 March 1790; they lived in Potton and their children were Richard Richardson (baptised 25 October 1730), Mary Richardson (baptised 11 February 1732/3), Hannah Richardson (baptised 23 March 1734/5), William Richardson (baptised 8 January 1737/8) and Elizabeth Richardson (baptised 23 May 1740 ).

Richard Richardson was a basketmaker, and was buried on 23 January 1779.

I have not yet made a positive identification of the correct burial record for Mary Richardson. There are three candidates, on 20 May 1754, 1 January 1755, and 6 December 1758.

I mention this just in case any of the documents you uncover mention any of these additional names and so enable an otherwise uncertain link to be established; or in case they give some additional information which helps to resolve which of the burials is "my" Mary Richardson e.g. by proving she was still living in 1756.