Looking for a marriage - Ellis + someoneorother!

[BassinghamTerrier]

Hi folks

I wonder if anyone might be able to help me here with a pre-1837 marriage? I know that there are people out there who have access to all kinds of marriage lists, etc. and it's to YOU that I make this desperate appeal!

I don't have all of the details, but what I have is the following information ...

• John ELLIS (born c1771, Yorks.) married a Frances someoneorother (born c1782, Coniscliffe, Darlington, then in Yorks.)
• No idea where!
• Probably before 1807 as the first (I believe) child was born about then;
• Children's names give no clues as to her surname ...
• Ann Frances Ellis born c1807, Hutton Buscel, Yorks.
• Elizabeth M. Ellis born c1811, Yedingham, Yorks.
• Maria Margaret Ellis, born 1813, Hutton Buscel, Yorks.
• Robert Ellis, born c1814, Hutton Buscel, Yorks.
• Rose Hannah Ellis, born 1815, Yedingham, Yorks.
• Richard Ellis, born c1818, Yedingham, Yorks.
• Eliza Ellis, born c1821, Yorks.
• Thomas Ellis, born c1831, Yorks.

(The Hutton Buscel/Yedingham birthplaces seem to be interchangeable in subsequent censuses!)

I have found most of them in the censuses, but am struggling to nail a date and place for the marriage - and the names of fathers or parents.

All help greatly appreciated!

MT

[AMBLY]

Hi

John ELLIS was the Vicar of Yedingham?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e5f/
His 'fourth daughter' Rose Hannah married in 1835
(Yorkshire Gazette North Yorkshire).

This old posting on Rootsweb  (the OP is a descendant of daughter Maria Margaret):
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/YORKSGEN/2000-07/0963734783
Rev. John G. ELLIS, curate of Hutton Buscel from 1800 to 1813, then curate and vicar of Yedingham until his death in 1851. He married Frances RUTLEDGE in 1801 in Hutton Buscel... Children of John and Frances:-
John 3 APR 1803, Hutton Buscel
Robert 31 JAN 1811, Hutton Buscel
Maria Margaret, 31 OCT 1813, Hutton Buscel
Richard 24MAY 1817, Yedingham [/b]
Henry 25APR1819, Yedingham
Elizabeth, 22SEP1820, Yedingham
Catharine, 13NOV1821, Yedingham
Rachel, 30OCT1824, Yedingham
Source: Parish Registers Hutton Buscel and Yedingham.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Plaque dedicated to Rev John ELLIS Snr, died 1848 age 78, Vicar of Yedingham.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/52219527@N00/5473945635/in/set-72157626001282013

The use of "Snr" above, indicates a son named  John. This appears to be the son, also a Vicar (and fit with the eldest child in the list of children per the Rootsweb post):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/52219527@N00/5474548690/in/set-72157626001282013
John ELLIS, For 34 years Vicar of the Parish. Died 1870, age 66 (born 1803/0804)

There is also:
Plaque dedicated to Jane, died 1848, wife of  Rev. John Ellis JNR
https://www.flickr.com/photos/52219527@N00/5474534884/in/set-72157626001282013

And here on page 2 of this pdf:
http://www.buckrosecarrs.org.uk/content/pages/documents/1313434725.pdf

Cheers
AMBLY

[BassinghamTerrier]

Wow! Wow! WOW!
Many thanks for these bits of info!
Late last night I had discovered that he was indeed the vicar of Yedingham, simply by searching out a bit more about his son Richard who I already knew to be a vicar and curate of places such as Yedingham & Knapton, Sherburn, Laxton and Bellerby.
It would seem that there were generations of vicars in the family.
I had also uncovered further children - John, James (both vicars!) and another daughter, Rachel, although as yet I don't know when they were born.

And the marriage! Fantastic! I had seen a marriage to a Routledge in the AŁ listings but thought that it was too far distant from Yedingham (can't remember where it was now).
I must also contact the OP in that thread - I too am descended through Maria Margaret Ellis on my mother's side!!

What a day! Thanks so much!

MT

[BassinghamTerrier]

I am now piecing this together, but I have to admit that the third of those flickr items has me foxed.
Certainly happy with the marble plaque in Ebberston St Mary's to Revd John Ellis who died in 1848 as that fits perfectly. He was vicar in Hutton Buscel 1800 to 1813 and from then in Yedingham from 1832 until his death in 1848 (the RootsWeb date of 1851 is wrong). This also ties up well with the stained glass window on the pdf which is also dedicated to his memory in the church where he finished up, St John's in Yedingham.
The second flickr image is perfect for his son, John Ellis Jr, who was vicar of Ebberston until his death in 1870. I have found him on the censues for 1851 and 1861 with wife Hannah Elizabeth Ellis and his will from 1870. A quick search discovered that she was born Hannah Elizabeth PEARSON in 1803 in Hutton Buscel.

Now the problem ...

Who is the John Ellis in the third flickr picture? It appears to be from St Mary's in Ebberston and if this is indeed "Sacred to the memory of Jane, beloved wife of Rev John Ellis Jun, vicar of this Parish: on the 2^nd day of Sep 184?? she calmly resigned her soul into the hands of her merciful creator." (which it clearly is!) then which John Ellis is he?

John Ellis (1771-1884) married and was survived by Frances (nee Routledge) of this there can be no doubt.
John Ellis (1803-1870) married Hannah Elizabeth Pearson 24th March 1845; this has to be true as I've found them in the censuses and proved it with his will.

So now I'm confused ...

UNLESS ...
The date on that marble plaque is actually 1843 and not 1846 or 1848. A Jane Ellis DID indeed die in Pickering in the September Q of 1843. Could John Ellis have been a widower when he married Hannah in 1845?

Is there anybody out there close enough to go and have a look??

MT

[MaureeninNY]

Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The York Herald, and General Advertiser (York, England), Saturday, September 09, 1843; pg. 5; Issue 3702.

Deaths
On Saturday,the 2nd inst.highly and deservedly respected,Jane,the beloved wife of the Rev John Ellis jun,vicar of Ebberston,near Scarbro'.

.....
Maureen

[BassinghamTerrier]

Ah-ha! Sorted!
So I was right!
Brilliant, Maureen - thanks.

Now I need to find a marriage for John Elllis and a Jane someoneorother! :D

MT ;)

[BassinghamTerrier]

OK, I have now successfully tracked John and Jane in Ebberston in the 1841 census, but can't pin down the marriage, especially since I don't know where Jane was born.
There is a marriage which jumps out from AŁ where John Ellis is born in 1803 (perfect!) and marries Jane Barker at Bartomb Street - which I am guessing is really Barton-le-Street - on 1st March 1833, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.
Does anyone have any newspaper evidence to prove a marriage, please?

MT ;)

[Goughy]

That is the correct marriage. 2 March 1833, Barton le Street.   John Ellis, Curate and Jane Barker of New Malton by licence  Married by John Ellis Vicar of Yedingham.  Witness George Leigh and Ann Frances Ellis