Italian Research

[wilcoxon]

Hi,
Will give it a try.
Can you send me the document in one piece by email. If so will send you a PM with my mail.
Steve

Can do that,. Thanks.

[steve62]

Sent PM
Steve

[steve62]

Hi Fred,
Interesting "where born".
Given Genoa which is in the Liguria Region it must be a town in Liguria. Will play around with the word and let you know.
Btw I lived in Rapallo/Santa Margherita Ligure for almost 20 years before moving to southern Italy.
Steve

[ptdrifter]

Thanks for looking Steve. I've been looking at maps and gazetteers of the area, but nothing so far. Interesting that it says on the Mole if Genoa, seems odd to be born in a harbour wall Might it be the area called Molo?

Lucky you , I've just returned from Scala on the Amalfi coast and loved it there.

Fred

[steve62]

Hi Fred,
I enlarged that cutting and noted it reads "Pernerinto" - Molo di Genoa.  First off I will show the cutting to a friend of mine and see if he agrees with our interpretation.   Sometimes when a word appears in a sentence it is easier to translate in the context of the sentence.

You are correct "Molo" being a harbour wall and your ancestor was not born on the harbour wall.  In this case "Molo di Genoa" is a neighbourhood in the old town of Genoa and lies behind the most antique dock area.  This was one of the 6 districts in the old town.  I think part of this was demolished to make way for "Expo Porto Antico".  Now this mysterious word - it could have been a sub-district of the district "Molo di Genoa".   This sub-district may have been demolished for the Expo.   Why I say sub-district - in Rapallo we lived in Santa Maria del Campo, a sub-district of Rapallo.  Official documents show this;  "Santa Maria del Campo, Rapallo"

Just a bit of interest.  The old town of Genoa, with its narrow streets and alleyways is still thriving today with shops and eating places and habitations.  I went their many years ago and historically I found it great.  The old town lies to the west of Genoa ( ie towards the French Riviera.   If you go down the main street in Genoa (4 lanes one way traffic)  Via XX Settembre to the top (Piazza Ferrari) then across the road is the old town, which spreads out north, south, east and west.

For now do you think we have resolved this what is "Pernerinto".  It only remains for me to be sure we have interpreted the word right.  Will let you know if my friend agrees with us.

Steve

[ptdrifter]

Hi Steve, thanks for your interest and help. Yes I think we may be on the right lines, but I've looked for years for the town or village or location that refers to without success. Without this I have no idea on how to find his birth registration.
As I said I'm not even sure he's Italian!

Fred

[steve62]

Hi Fred,
I think from that clip it proves where he was born and we have proof Molo di Genoa being the district of birth.  If we are talking 1815 as birth year the "Archivi di Genova" might have recording - depends how far theygo back.  Some archives go further back.  The point of the surname Bush does'nt particulary matter, because foreigners born/died in Italy would/will be registered. 
I am presuming this snippet was from an italian document.  Do you have the full copy and other documents in Italian?

Steve

[ptdrifter]

Hi Steve
It's actually a clip from 1861 London UK census. Joseph was a sawmaker in London , the only details I have on his birth are from UK censuses. They all claim he was born in Italy in 1815, specifically in Genoa. I will try and contact the Archivi.
Regards Fred

[steve62]

Hi Fred,
Looked on site a minute ago. No birth records for 1815.
Will make a phone call to Genoa town hall and ask where these records can be found
Steve