1851 census help please - Fisher family

[tn17]

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a family on the 1851 Census. The family I'm interested in is

John FISHER b1810 Bath Somerset, Butcher
and his daughter Emily FISHER b1836 Bath, Somerset

I have found them in Bath in 1861 (RG9/1690/27 page 2) - its just the two of them and John is a widower.

In the 1841 they (along with John's wife Diana and other children John 6, Mary 3 and Sarah 1) were in Cold Ashton, Gloucestershire (HO107/363 ED 7 Folio 4 pg3).

The most likely 1851 family I have been able to find is in Finsbury, Middlesex (HO107/1522/346 p17). That family has widower John, and children John 16, Sarah 11 and Kate 10 and is mistrancribed as Falker. However given the distance and no Emily, i'm not certain that it is them.

Any help very much appreciated

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Strangley there is another John Fisher in Walcot in 1851
Walcot 5 Mayarets Hill
John Fisher 42 grocer Bath deaf
Ann wife 39 Melksham
Henry 16 gilder Bath
Prudence 14 Bath
Sarah 12
Caroline  10
Frederick 7
William 5
Charles 3

It does seem a bit of a coincidence.
There's a possible death for Diana in Dec 1845 Bath so he could have remarried.

Ciderdrinker

[DRH123]

Hi
Strangley there is another John Fisher in Walcot in 1851
Walcot 5 Mayarets Hill
John Fisher 42 grocer Bath deaf
Ann wife 39 Melksham
Henry 16 gilder Bath
Prudence 14 Bath
Sarah 12
Caroline  10
Frederick 7
William 5
Charles 3

It does seem a bit of a coincidence.
There's a possible death for Diana in Dec 1845 Bath so he could have remarried.

That John's wife is Ann nee Fisher for all the children from Sarah on (and still Ann for Prudence and Henry) so he can't be the same chap. (see BathMBD and FreeREG)
John Fisher married Ann Fisher in Bath in 1832.

David

[DRH123]

There's a very good chance the Finsbury family is the one you want. Familysearch shows that the daughter Sarah was baptised there in 1851, parents John and Diana, although born in 1840.
The census also shows them all born in Bath and that John is a butcher.   I think that's enough to put it "beyond reasonable doubt".  Emily was presumably elsewhere.

David

[DRH123]

Emily doesn't show up on BathBMD (she's not the one in 1839) but I think that's because she was registered before she was named.

Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   Reference
FISHER   (girl) Daughter Of John   Batheaston   Bath   WELSTEED   BEA/1/238
Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   Reference
FISHER   Kate   Walcot - First Series   Bath   WELLSTEED   WL1/4/199
Bath Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   Reference
FISHER   William   Walcot - First Series   Bath   WELLSTEAD   WL1/5/235

This appears to be John and Diana's marriage,  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e8v/

David

[tn17]

Thank you so much Ciderdrinker and DRH123!

That looks like the right marriage to me too. I think the 1838 registration could be Mary rather than Emily based on their ages in 1841.

I had not seen the christening of Sarah - thanks for turning it up. I've just had a look at the digitised copy and the address matches with the one on the 1851 census for the Finsubry family (2 Baltic place).

Emily wouldn't be the first person in my tree to skip a census I suppose

[DRH123]

Yes, you're quite right, that is more likely to be Mary than Emily. Their ages in the 1841 census are probably the most dependable, putting Emily born around 1836 and Mary in 1838.

She appears to have been baptised as Marianne, at St. Catherine's (her father's birthplace). (Wrongly recorded as at Rodney Stoke on Familysearch.)

Where did you find the online image of Sarah's christening?

David

[tn17]

Ancestry have it as part of their collection from the LMA

Cheers tn17