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Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« on: Sunday 30 November 14 04:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Just wondering if anyone has any connection to Hannah Gill born in Essex, I believe in either Thorpe Le Soken c1755.

Hannah married James Appleby 7 April 1772 at Thorpe Le Soken. James was a widower and Hannah single and were both of the parish. James died in 1795. Haven't conclusively found Hannah's death yet, but it might be in 1836 aged 80

The only baptism I found for a Hannah Gill is located in Kirby Le-Soken.

Surname   GILL
Name   Hannah
Father   
Mother   Han.
Baptism    29 Nov 1747

I found this thread from 2012 which mentions a Moses Gill and that he had a sister named Hannah.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=617310.27

Could the Mother (Han.) of Hannah above be the sister of Moses and if so, also would this be my Hannah?

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Sandra
Baker, King, Rice - Boxford, Suffolk, Baldwin - Bures St Mary, Suffolk
Richer - Thorpe-Le-Soken & Colchester, Essex
Pritty - Wivenhone Essex, St Martin Colchester, Essex
Scutcher/Cutchey - Great Bentley & Great Clacton, Essex

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 December 14 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello there,

She could be... the Gill family were in that area. Are there any clues, like a will by James Appleby or something?

Moses mentions a sister called Hannah in his will, which he wrote in 1761.

That said.... I managed to muddle up a generation (it's awkward because there's about three Moses Gills! I'd found the baptism at the French church in Thorpe-le-Soken in 1701 for Moses, son of Moses Gilles and Marie Elizabeth Soinneau and assumed it was Moses who married Sarah Newcomb/Allen in 1754 - I think I was wrong, and Moses, born in about 1701, was Moses' dad. Hence the three Moseses!).

So some extra bits and bobs for you about the Gill family.

When Moses Gill married my 7xgt-grandaunt in 1754, he was a widower. He had a daughter, Elizabeth, in Kirby-le-Soken in 1751, by his wife Mary (his will mentions that he had a daughter Elizabeth by Mary, his late wife). I dug up the marriage licence allegation, and Moses married Mary Cryson (she signs 'Kyson') in 1750 in Colchester (they were both of Kirby). This marriage licence says that Moses was 26, so he was born about 1724. I haven't found his baptism yet, which is a slight problem.

But his will mentions his siblings - his brother John, and his two sisters, Mary and Hannah. I found a reference in a book at the Essex Record Office called The Inventory of Soken Wills (presumably in existence because the Sokens are a "Peculiar" - I don't think ERO's books are catalogued online yet), which has a Moses Gill nominated as guardian of his sister Hannah. This was endorsed 06 Feb 1745/46 - so I think it would make sense that Moses, who would've been about 21, would have been nominated as guardian of his younger sister, Hannah. So... is this the Hannah who had Hannah, her illegitimate child in 1747? It could well be, I suppose! She could've been under 21.

I need to check the Inventory again though - I think it was an inventory of items belonging to Moses Gill of either Thorpe or Kirby, but I can't remember which. He must've died in intestate because there's no will that I can find for him.

Anyway, Moses, born about 1701 - I think he married Mary Reed in Great Clacton in 1721 (which makes Moses III's possibly birth in 1724 more likely, even if I can't find his baptism), and I found baptisms for the following children in Kirby for Moses and Mary:

John ('Jno') 10 Mar 1734
Peter 7 Dec 1735
Jud (presumably Judith?) 24 Jul 1737
Elizabeth 4 Feb 1739

They're on FreeREG, but I've put them in a pdf too.

Presumably Moses and Hannah were baptised elsewhere. Why wasn't Moses made guardian of the other Gill children, though? It's a bit mysterious - like I say, I need to check back at that book. But as he only mentions Mary, Hannah and John in his will, it's possible that Peter, Judith and Elizabeth had died before 1761 (or even earlier, before the guardianship issue - but where are their burials?).

Helen.

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 December 14 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen

Thank you for your reply and comprehensive information. I will go through it properly later tonight after work.

I haven't a found a will for James Appleby. I haven't quite worked out when Hannah died yet but possibly in 1836.
 
Regards

Sandra
Baker, King, Rice - Boxford, Suffolk, Baldwin - Bures St Mary, Suffolk
Richer - Thorpe-Le-Soken & Colchester, Essex
Pritty - Wivenhone Essex, St Martin Colchester, Essex
Scutcher/Cutchey - Great Bentley & Great Clacton, Essex

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 December 14 19:43 GMT (UK) »
That's ok - hope you can make some sense of all that!


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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

The following probably won't help you but it might be of interest, I found it on Free Reg whilst searching the name Galley with soundex ticked.

16 Jul 1749 at Great Oakley All Saints, Moses Gill widower of Kirby Le Soken married Sarah Allen widow, by Licence.  Witnesses Thomas Newcomb & Robert Tenby?

Concentrating currently on:
Essex: Card, Harris, Stowell, Theobald/Tibbles & Turner.
Norfolk: Beale, Cork & Dalton.
Yorkshire: Oswald Sturdy birth/baptism c1708, Oswald where the devil are you?

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 01:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

As an after thought on Free Reg I searched the surname Gill using the parameters of Essex and baptisms 1747 + & - 10 yrs.

Some baptisms came up for children of Moses and Mary Gill at both Gt Oakley and Kirby le Soken.

Also Hannah a bastard of Hannah Gill baptised 29 Nov 1747 Kirby le Soken which no doubt you already know of.

Regards.
Concentrating currently on:
Essex: Card, Harris, Stowell, Theobald/Tibbles & Turner.
Norfolk: Beale, Cork & Dalton.
Yorkshire: Oswald Sturdy birth/baptism c1708, Oswald where the devil are you?

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 18:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello Findem,

Yes, Moses married Sarah, on 16th July 1754. She was already living in Great Oakley (it was where her first husband lived after they moved from Tendring), and Moses moved to Great Oakley after the marriage. Sarah had seven children by her first husband, then one daughter by Moses (Mary, in 1756). Moses is probably the uncle of Hannah, baptised in Kirby in 1747.

Helen.

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 21:46 GMT (UK) »
Helen

I understand the confusion with muddling up the generations, considering that all three Moses, married a Mary/Marie.

I will take it that the baptism in 1747 is my Hannah (unless I find something else that disproves that).

It will be interesting to see if I can find any information on Hannah (the elder) to either track a marriage or baptism. I have a quick look on FreeReg but nothing listed. I have downloaded a number of the parishes for Essex from SEAX (for my own use only), so in the first instance I will go through those in the to see if I can find anything. Otherwise I will have a look over Christmas on SEAX when I have a mini break from work. BTW thank you for your transcripts of some of the parishes (it actually helped in relation to another ancestor, as I actually found something one of them last week that I hadn’t seen in the register online previously). Your PDF versions for any of the parishes you have transcribed don’t have any marriages listed for a Hannah Gill so maybe she either didn’t marry or maybe married in the French church (?).

Anyway time to go do some work


Sandra
Baker, King, Rice - Boxford, Suffolk, Baldwin - Bures St Mary, Suffolk
Richer - Thorpe-Le-Soken & Colchester, Essex
Pritty - Wivenhone Essex, St Martin Colchester, Essex
Scutcher/Cutchey - Great Bentley & Great Clacton, Essex

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Re: Hannah Gill bc 1750-1755 Essex (married to James Appleby in 1772)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about the error i.e. the marriage 16 Jul 1749, just checked my scribbled note and it states plainly 16 Jul 1754, not sure where 1749 came from.probably a seniors moment.  :o  ;D
Concentrating currently on:
Essex: Card, Harris, Stowell, Theobald/Tibbles & Turner.
Norfolk: Beale, Cork & Dalton.
Yorkshire: Oswald Sturdy birth/baptism c1708, Oswald where the devil are you?

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk