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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 23:31 GMT (UK) »
Ive seen my dads death certificate but maybe nsw are different I don't know ?? Again I only know what I've been told I'm thinking that maybe??? She may of married him ?? As they're saying according to certificate they were a couple and Laura did die under Allan.

I can only tell what I get told this is snd had been a very mysterious family many things weren't spoken about, passed down etc it's been a interesting yet complicated family to trace/follow and u keep finding more and more surprises.. Unknown fostering,bigamy,abuse,name changes,illigitimate kids, adoptions, wife desertions etc...& I thought the Overton side was interesting lol...but this side is more like trying to be a detective...my hubby has a lookalike who speaks English but has the german accent knows us but us not him. Followed us for years never made himself known, entered house whilst slept been seen by others but won't make himself known to us I wish we did know him (even though I'd love to interrogate him lol..as then maybe I'd know outside Australia just who Lauras dad really was etc..this lookalike military connections too.Told you this mob if my husband was like solving a mystery lol.
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 16 December 14 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Ive seen my dads death certificate but maybe nsw are different I don't know ?? Again I only know what I've been told I'm thinking that maybe??? She may of married him ?? As they're saying according to certificate they were a couple and Laura did die under Allan.

I can only tell what I get told this is snd had been a very mysterious family many things weren't spoken about, passed down etc it's been a interesting yet complicated family to trace/follow and u keep finding more and more surprises.. Unknown fostering,bigamy,abuse,name changes,illigitimate kids, adoptions, wife desertions etc...& I thought the Overton side was interesting lol...but this side is more like trying to be a detective...my hubby has a lookalike who speaks English but has the german accent knows us but us not him. Followed us for years never made himself known, entered house whilst slept been seen by others but won't make himself known to us I wish we did know him (even though I'd love to interrogate him lol..as then maybe I'd know outside Australia just who Lauras dad really was etc..this lookalike military connections too.Told you this mob if my husband was like solving a mystery lol.

I am concerned about all this online publishing with all the various speculations. 

To clear up one of these : 

NSW BDM certificate headings for Deaths Registered in the State of NSW (the forms are usually lodged by the funeral director after consultation with the family and the medico)

1.   DECEASED
Family Name
Christian or Given Name(s)

Date of Death
Place of Death
Sex and Age
Place of Birth
Period of Residence in Australia
Place of Residence
Usual Occupation
Marital Status at Date of Death

2.   MARRIAGES (S)
Place of Marriage
Age when Married
Full Name of Spouse

3.   CHILDREN   
In order of birth
Names and ages

4.   PARENTS 
Father’s Name
Mother’s Name
Mother’s Maiden Family Name

5.   MEDICAL
Cause of Death
And Duration of last illness
Name of Certifying Medical Practioner or Coroner

6.   BURIAL or CREMATION
Date
Place

7.   INFORMANT
Name
Address
Relationship to the deceased

8.   REGISTERING AUTHORITY
9.   ENDORSEMENT(S)

Cheers,  JM  (I am noted at section 7 on quite a number of NSW death certs)

Ok I don't wish to be rude but if Lauras daughter is going to tell me her dad (Dunn) and she was old enough to know snd receive letters from her mum that she (Laura) ran off with R A Allan than I'm going to believe that, especially know when the death certificate confirms such.

Thankyou as I said before Laura Mavis Dunn later Allan nee Patterson was in s relationship with R A Allan according to death cert.
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps you will have your email with the certificate by this evening.

Then you can begin to type it out carefully for us to see .

Sue
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 01:45 GMT (UK) »
I write what I get told or know.

Keep in mind that I'm trying to research a family that no one knows much about because nothing has been past down nor did all family grow up knowing each and other either my husband or his mum didn't grow up being told much and my mum in law didn't grow up knowing all her (this family) either the family is and had been scattered all over the place.

So unless I can prove something by documents etc then  it may very well seem like speculation. I have only been doing this a couple of years so still pretty much a novice and I'm the most researched person on this family in the family and I've done a lot with only a little help here and there this hasn't been s easy family to research to say the least so therefore if it appears I'm speculating then so be it.

In regards to the death certificates also keep in mind that I'm now in my forties only ever sighted a nsw death cert as I lost my 2 dads young and didn't/don't hold the certificates so I'm going /trying to Anway remember from being a  young kid.

When I receive the death certificate. Don't know when , I'll post it.

Thankyou

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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 03:21 GMT (UK) »
Laura Mavis Dunn later Allan nee Patterson  died January 18th 1982 At Essendon Victoria.

Any member of the general public can obtain that death certificate as it is outside of the restricted period for Victoria. 

http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Okey Dokey.

Thankyou.

Kind Regards

overton72
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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Tried to post the certificate image but file too large (pdf) do not know how to shrink it so ill just type it.

Description- 18 January 1982

When and where died- Essendon victoria

Usual residence-31 Cooper St Essendon Victoria

Name and Surname -Laura Mavis ALLAN

Occupation-Cleaner

Sex and Age-Female 69yrs

Cause of Death and Duration-

Cardiac Arrest minutes
Chronic Renal Failure-5 years
Left Ventricular Failure-10 years

Legally Qualified Medical Practioner by whom certified and when he last saw deceased:

Dr White 11 January 1982.

Name and Surname of father and mother-(maiden name if known), with occupation-

Charles Patterson
Sarah Ellen Patterson
maiden name-aitkin
Occupation Carpenter.

Signiture,descripription and residences of informant:

Certified by- Mr Barry F Oakley
23 Avalon Street
Mooroolbark Victoria 3138

Signiture of Registration officer  (signiture)

Date-15 January 1982
Where registered-Melbourne Vicotria

if burial Registered(adapt if required) -21 January 1982

what and where buried-CREMATED  at Memorial Park Cremortorium North Altona.

Undertaker by whom certified- G Allison

Name and Religion of Minister or names of witness of buriall-R McKenzie
                                                                                      B Pascoe

Where Born-Geelong Victoria
Period of residence in Australia-69yrs

If Decease were married-at what age and to whom:

Brunswick victoria
17yrs
John James Dunn

Cnijugal Condition at date of death:DIVORCED

Issue in order of birth,the names and ages

Kelvin Raymond John 49 yrs
Helen johanna-47yrs
Dorothy Kathleen 45 yrs
Charles James Deceased
Jennifer Rosalind Deceased.


My Comments-I downloaded and paid for this image of Vic bdm (got sick of waiting for it to be sent)
tried to send/copy here but file was too large and i do not know how to shrink it.

Well it appears she DIDNT marry R A ALLAN then but she took the Allan name!.

She died under Allan and her Plaque you can see on line at the Altona Cemetary.

MORE INTERESTINGLY...

Whilst Charles James Raymond Dunn is deceased died 1961/inquest-1962 Jeep Accident.

The last person listed is not Dead and is very much alive this I find very interesting as im sure dear cousin will indeed herself be shocked.


Regards overton 72

Ps- Feel free to edit the last name mentioned as even though the image/cert states she is deceased,she is very much alive.




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Richards,Roberts,Parrish,Paris,Norton,knight,. Whear,Sparnon,squires, Fenwick ,

Scotland-hardy,McRae,Morris,walker,burnside.>Glasgow to Australia.

Ireland-Jobson,plunkett,

Germany>Ballarat vic >? To Patterson>miner.

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Re: Surname-Allan-Maribyong,Essendon- Victoria-Australia
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 07:34 GMT (UK) »
laura mavis plaque
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Richards,Roberts,Parrish,Paris,Norton,knight,. Whear,Sparnon,squires, Fenwick ,

Scotland-hardy,McRae,Morris,walker,burnside.>Glasgow to Australia.

Ireland-Jobson,plunkett,

Germany>Ballarat vic >? To Patterson>miner.

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« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 17 December 14 10:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for such a clear and accurate transcribing of the certificate.
It shows that Laura had divorced her husband and had found a new way of life.

It shows she  was using the surname ALLAN and she- or her family at the time of her- death had chosen to use that name on her plaque at Altona.

Laura is not memorialised with others of the surname ALLAN at Altona as far as I am able to establish. Often ashes are placed with family or spouse etc.

There may be others with her, but not  named ALLAN.

There are many people who choose to be memorialised and have their death registered under a name  of  their choice.  This is not illegal.

Sue

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