Catholic Church near Barony-1864

[jmara]

Annep5892- Yes- I have struggled with this family's makeup for months and think I know why and how it fleshes out. I used census and BMD records from Scotland and the U.S./Illinois where they immigrated to verify info. 

It seems that were two couples, both named John and Susan Daly/Daily/Dailly. The "wrong" couple lived just doors from "my" John and Susan in a mining village. Although both Johns were born in Portabello Midlothian, and were miners, the "wrong" John Daly was born in 1848 (versus mine, born 1834-35) and married Susan (maiden name unknown) who born in Ireland in 1840-43 (versus Susan Boyle, born 1837-38 in Ireland).

The "wrong" John and Susan Daly, who were a few years younger, were the parents of Bernard but not my Elizabeth (born Oct 18, 1865) or Annie (born June 1869). 

At least that is how I've figured it out after creating a spreadsheet that compared every John, Susan, Elizabeth and Annie Daley within the logical time frames. There were several Elizabeth Daly's born in 1865-66 with a father names John (the only 2 things I knew for sure) but there was only one family that had John, Eliz, and Annie with the right birthdates and that was with Susan Boyle, b. in 1837-38 in Ireland.
I'd love to see if anyone can help me unravel this, if I've made a mistake. Thanks.

On reflection, something doesn't look quite right with this family.
The couple married in Oct 1864 and there are 5 births on Family Search.
Bridget b 1865, followed by Ann in 1868, Susan 1870, Bernard 1872, Peter 1873 and John 1874

The 1871 census in New Kilpatrick shows children as Elizabeth age 5 and Ann age2
If Elizabeth's age is correct, then she is BRIDGET.
7 Oct 1865 to census night 7 Apr 1871 = 5years ( 6th birthday in October)

Failing that, Bridget must have died and Elizabeth is a second daughter, but she could not have been born before Jun 1866

1871
New Kilpatrick   
NAME   AGE
John Daily   37 B Ireland
Susan Daily   33 B Ireland
Elizabeth Daily   5 B New Kilpatrick ( consistent with Bridget's profile 7 Oct 1865)
Annie Daily   2 B New Kilpatrick ( 25 Jun 1868)


1881: New Kilpatrick
John Dailly   43
Susan Dailly   41
Bernard Dailly   8 B New Kilpatrick  ( 31 Oct 1872)

[anne_p]

Jonn,
Was the birth info taken from Elizabeth's baptism record?

Still looks like Bridget and Elizabeth is the same child.
There is a birth for Bridget and a baptism for Elizabeth.

There is no  statutory birth cert for Elizabeth and no statutory death record for Bridget

[jonn]

Hello Annep5892,

Thats what i thought to that Bridget, and Elizabeth, were one and the same, although Elizabeths, birth on the catholic record is eleven days after Bridgets, it is certainly a anomoly, however these things are no surprise in family history.

Regards,
Jonn.

[anne_p]

Emigration
State Of Nevada from Glasgow arrived in New York on 6 May 1886

Family:
Mr John Dailly 48yr old labourer
Mrs John Dailly 47
Elizabeth Dailly age 20
Annie Dailly age 18
Bernard Dailly age 11

( combined family from both 1871 and 1881 census returns in New Kilpatrick)
Based on this...Bernard, Elizabeth and Annie were ALL siblings

EDIT:
Susan Dailly died in Illinois in 1916
DOB 15 Jun 1836
Her husband's name John Dailly is in the "Father's name" box
Her own name Susan Boyle is in the Mother's name" box   ??

[jmara]

Now I'm really confused. Does this mean that the dates and places I had for "my" Elizabeth, John and Susan are wrong, or just that they also had a son named Bernard in 1875??
I searched for all "Daily/Daly/Daley" passengers from Scotland to NY for 1880-1890 and did not come up with the one you noted below--can you tell me what resource you located it in? (Am I allowed to ask that?)
I have attached in 1871 Census that I have used as my guide. Am on on target and the family simply had Bernard after the census but are the same family that  arrived on State of Nevada?
Help!

Emigration
State Of Nevada from Glasgow arrived in New York on 6 May 1886

Family:
Mr John Dailly 48yr old labourer
Mrs John Dailly 47
Elizabeth Dailly age 20
Annie Dailly age 18
Bernard Dailly age 11

( combined family from both 1871 and 1881 census returns in New Kilpatrick)
Based on this...Bernard, Elizabeth and Annie were ALL siblings

[anne_p]

Apologies for my typo,
Both 1871 and 1881 censuses state that John Dailly was born in Portobello ( Not Ireland)

Emigration data is fro Ancestry

[jmara]

I am quite amazed that you located this, as I have searched ancestry.com many, many times for Annie and Elizabeth (I thought they arrived alone) without success. I see the index must have mistakenly listed Elizabeth's age as 40 instead of 20 (it is smeared there so its hard to tell her age) which may be why it never came up with my queries under her b. as 1865-66, but I'm at a loss as to why queries for Annie did not reveal this arrival. Nonetheless, I am thrilled that you were able to locate this information and tell me a good bit of new history---that Eliz's parents came here, too! This may explain why all my searches for her parent's deaths in Scotland came up fruitless!     Thanks Much!!

Apologies for my typo,
Both 1871 and 1881 censuses state that John Dailly was born in Portobello ( Not Ireland)

Emigration data is fro Ancestry

[anne_p]

I thought I'd posted this already but apparently not?
1900:
Felix, Grundy, Illinois
NAME   AGE
Susan Dailey   66 b Ireland
Barney Dailey   25 B Scotland

Susan is entered as having had 5 children born and 3 still living.

1910
Felix, Grundy, Illinois

NAME   AGE
Susan Dailey   65
Barney Dailey   30

Susan says she had 4 children born with 3 still living

Susan died in Coal City, Grundy Illinois on 17 Mar 1916. AGE 80
Buried in Mount Olivet Cemetery, Braidwood
This family does not seem to know how old they were!

Annie's married name was : Lints
Married Matthew Lints on 10 Apr  1901 Chicago
Family is buried in the same plot as her mother, Susan Dailly

1920: South Western Ave, Chicago
Matthew Lints   46
Annie Lints   48

1930
Matthew Lintz   53
Anna Lintz   50

1940
Annie Lints   70

Burial

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=dailly&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=16&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=116241043&df=all&

As Barney lived with his mother until 1910 and Annie is buried with Susan, it proves that Barney and Annie were siblings.
Elizabeth will be the 3rd living child.
Her statutory birth record says her name Bridget b 7 Oct 1865
She was baptised on 22 Oct 1865 with the name Elizabeth and a slight variation to her birth date.

Elizabeth's death has the correct day and month for her birth as Bridget but, is out by exactly 2yrs.

[jmara]

No-it had not been posted but I am glad you did now--it changes the narrative I thought I had  but makes more sense.  She came over with both her parents, plus Annie and Bernard (who later went by Barney.) That is exactly where they settled, too-Coal City.

It's just that....(I'm a bit thick maybe but I'm still not clear) Did I have  the correct info about Elizabeth (whose birth name was likely Bridget but who was baptized Elizabeth on Oct 22 1865) was  born either Oct. 7 or 18, 1865 with sister Annie born 1869 of John (b in Portabello around 1834-38) and Susan Boyle b, in Ireland around 1838-40, with Susan and John married  in 1865---but  just need to add Bernard's later birth? or am I off completely?

I guess what I don't understand is why, the 1881 census shows only John, Susan and Bernard, and no Eliz or Annie--shouldn't they be there too, because they'd only be 12 and 16?

Do you all think there was no "duplicate" John and Susan Daly and they are all the same family with a very imperfect ability to recall their actual dates of birth???

Hmm....you guys are incredible.

I thought I'd posted this already but apparently not?
1900:
Felix, Grundy, Illinois
NAME   AGE
Susan Dailey   66 b Ireland
Barney Dailey   25 B Scotland