Appreciate a second opinion

[spark]

I am starting to doubt a deduction I have made and would appreciate a second opinion.  If any chatters are able to.

John Wardle married Margaret Wardle in 1838 in Whitwick Leics.  (I have certificate)
John is given as "of age" and father Jonathan Wardle (Collier)

1851 I have 2 entries
Whitwick with wife and 4 children [piece 2084 / page 12]
Basford with Father (wid) and 2 siblings, recorded as married, but no wife shown [piece 2127 /  folio 176 / page 25]

1841 I have him with wife and first born, in Whitwick, John born out of county, although wife is down as Frances [piece 596 / folio 51 / page 16]

From this I have found a baptism for John Wardle on familysearch at Greasley 21 Apr 1817 to give his parents as Jonathan and Phillis (believe Phyllis Carlin).

Note I do have a public tree on ancestry.

many thanks,
Spark

[Dizzifish]

Hi Spark....

I was going to say Jonathan married as Wardley to Phyllis Carlin and the Notts FHS has the children's baptisms if you would like them, John's in 1817 gives his abode as Brinsley which fits.

It does happen that people are mentioned in two places on census night..... I looked on the NottsFHS burials for Phyllis but she is not on there, but at a guess she died in Basford R/D in 1851... and wondered if that was why John Wardle is with his father?

But it appears that Phyllis was buried in Nottingham General Cemetery the day the census was taken.

Then I found this link that explains in more detail than I can.... and the burial internment certificate on there too! With thanks to Bill Wardle and the contributors for the webpages. 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hartshorn/Wardle/New%20Wardle%20Pages.htm

[spark]

    WOW Dizzifish, you have hit the motherload for me!

I have contacted the webpages owner.

Notts FHS has the children's baptisms if you would like them - yes please

I looked on the NottsFHS burials for Phyllis but she is not on there, but at a guess she died in Basford R/D in 1851... and wondered if that was why John Wardle is with his father?  Could be certificate in-hand

But it appears that Phyllis was buried in Nottingham General Cemetery the day the census was taken.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hartshorn/Wardle/New%20Wardle%20Pages.htm

[Dizzifish]

Hi Spark...

These are what I have....


Wardle Baptisms - parents Jonathan & Phillis Wardle - occupation Collier/coal miner

Wm  - 19 July 1813 - baptised EASTWOOD St Mary - abode Eastwood
JOHN - 21 April 1817 - baptised GREASLEY St Mary - abode Brinsley
Aaron - 15 April 1820 - baptised GREASLEY St Mary - abode Brinsley
Thomas - 28 Jan 1828 - baptised KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid - abode Kirkby
George  - 24 May 1829 - baptised KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid - abode Kirkby
Jonathan - 4 Sept 1831 - baptised KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid - abode Kirkby
Ann - 23 March 1835 - - baptised KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid - abode Kirkby

Burial for Aaron
Aaron WARDLE  aged 14 yrs - 1 June 1834 - KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid

also....

Jonathan WARDLE aged 6 mths - 3 Feb 1832 - KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid

Thomas Wardle - aged 3+ 11th Oct 1835 - KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid

The burials I have given are the only Wardle burials in Kirkby.... there is also this one that I am not sure who she belongs to?

Sarah Wardle, age 9 yrs - 30 Jan 1846 - KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD St Wilfrid

[spark]

Many thanks Dizzifish.  I really do appreciate the help.
Best wishes,
Spark