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Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« on: Monday 16 February 15 16:51 GMT (UK) »
I am having trouble finding any information about the siblings and relations of my wife's irish grandmother, I have plenty of info on her, but her 2 sisters offer little or no info, has anyone got any info or contacts I can use?
Grandmothers details: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes in 1899, sisters, Mary(Polly) and Elizabeth.
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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 February 15 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat.
Have you got their father's name from the marriage?
Did they all stay in Ireland?
Have you got any of them on a Census?
How do you know Kathleen had two sisters?
What was their religious denomination?

Lots of questions but every detail gives people an idea where to search.

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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 February 15 20:23 GMT (UK) »
Did they marry in Ireland - only there is a marriage in Kent with very similar names although much later in 1917.

Kathleen R Pillsworth
George W Holmes
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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 February 15 21:17 GMT (UK) »
Wonder if this is the bride from the 1917 marriage?
Death: Kathleen R. Holmes, age 57 [born c1875], Jan./Mar.1942 Chatham Kent district volume 2a page 2298.

If this is the correct person perhaps Pillsworth wasn't her maiden name? (I didn't see a likely Pillsworth birth registration in Co. Kilkenny but the marriage certificate should list her status (single, widowed or divorced) and father's name & occupation).
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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #4 on: Monday 16 February 15 22:08 GMT (UK) »
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBCH-LZS   Ellen Elizabeth Pilsworth

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBQF-PJ7    Mary Pillsworth birth Athy

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRKQ-GZS    Anna Mary Pilsworth
 
 
Anna Mary estimated birth year 1857,  or possibly earlier generation?

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000281533

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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 February 15 22:23 GMT (UK) »
There's a daughter Kathleen Pilsworth born Co. Kilkenny but age 18 in 1901 (with sister Hellin Elizabeth, etc.). Still doesn't seem to fit with orginal post.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Jerpoint_Church/Grennan/531689

same family in 1901 really badly transcribed-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Jerpoint_Church/Grennan/1455046

history of the mill-
https://sites.google.com/site/bullfamilypei/generation-reports/generations-6-7

mention of this family- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=258245.63

scroll down the page for some gravestone transcriptions-
http://www.thomastownparish.ie/ourparish/memorials-of-the-dead/in-memory/
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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 February 15 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat.
Have you got their father's name from the marriage?
Did they all stay in Ireland?
Have you got any of them on a Census?
How do you know Kathleen had two sisters?
What was their religious denomination?

Lots of questions but every detail gives people an idea where to search.
I don't have their parents info
Mary is on the 1901 Census of Ireland listed as sister in law to George Holmes and Kate Holmes (nee Pillsworth), Irish Church,born in England, no idea where.
Elizabeth is also on the 1901 Census listed as a servant along with her sister Kates sister in law Louisa Holmes, Elizabeth was Church of Ireland born in Curragh Camp.
George and Kate and their 3 children moved to Chatham between 1910 and 1917, where they apparently got married again in March 1917, original marriage in Ireland in 1899.(No idea why there is a second marriage,perhaps they didn't have their original certificate and needed one for some reason).
there is a listing of marriage of an Elizabeth Pillsworth in  the Irish Civil Register in Dublin South in 1903 but no spouse is listed, vol 2 page 483, GS film 101260,Digital folder 004199362,Image 00287.
They had cousins with the surname of Rock, and there is a listing of a child Charles Rock mothers name Pillsworth,no Christian name listed, it shows event date 1942 but registration 1903??
Hope this helps you, look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks
The info was  obtained from a distant cousin who has the info on her family tree.

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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 February 15 12:30 GMT (UK) »
The extra detail should help. Here's Mary Pillsworth in Holmes household in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Corries/Heath/1039647
Elizabeth Pillsworth in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Culmullin/Staffordstown/1610503

So, ___ Pillsworth
1. Kate born c1872 Kilkenny City
2. Mary born c1879 England
3. Elizabeth born c1880 Curragh Camp


Possible birth? Eliza Pillsworth 1882 Ednederry (borders Co. Kildare)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBWY-T36
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Re: Kathleen Rebecca Pillsworth, b.Kilkenny 1870, married George Holmes
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 February 15 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Can't see the 1899 (or any marriage) in the Irish civil registration index so am wondering if that was only a story to make children appear legitimate before they actually did marry in 1917. The 1917 marriage should list their marital status as well as her father's name and occupation.

Have you found any of the girls in 1911?
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