James Nye b1786 Chatham

[Chezzyp]

Major head scratch....James Nye b 1786 Isle of Grain, Chatham, Kent supposedly married in 1815, according to several family trees also researching him. No details of where, no source and even more strange, he married a Frances RIPPON according to some trees but James's mother was ANN RIPPON. No parentage is shown for Frances Rippon. In other trees Frances's surname is NYE which I suppose could mean she was a cousin or something but I've had no luck with that line of enquiry either. Does anyone have any ideas where I could find out more about Frances? Her death certificate doesn't have any clues.

Many thanks,
Cheryl

[bearkat]

Grain and Chatham are different parishes.

There is a baptism for a James Henry NIGH, son of Abel & Mary 4th April 1784 at Grain.

http://tinyurl.com/pavcqu8

He may not be yours 

I haven't found a suitable marriage for a James NIGH/NYE in Kent.

You can browse the parish registers for the Medway area

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=/Z4a_Medway_Ancestors/

[Chezzyp]

Thank you very much for that; I'll investigate further.

Cheryl

[Annette7]

If you study the children with James and Frances you will find from baptisms on familysearch that Frances was not the mother of the children - Frances was a second wife:

James Nye, widower, son of Abel Nye, married Frances Vowell, widow, dau. of Christopher Woodington, 8/7/1839 St. Marys, Chatham.

James's first wife was named Elizabeth and think this is probably the marriage:

James Nye married Elizabeth Tomlin 7/4/1811 Aylesford, Kent.

James and Elizabeth had the following children baptised (which includes 4 who are not on the 1841 census in Gillingham):

Sarah Ann b.13/11/1811, bp.18/5/1812 Wesleyan at either Tunbridge Wells, Maidstone or Sevenoaks (all 3 shown on familysearch)
Henry Joseph b.26/2/1813, bp.6/10/1813    ditto
James bp.11/9/1814 St. Margaret, Rochester
William bp.12/4/1818 St. Mary, Chatham
Marianne bp.28/11/1821    ditto
Thomas bp.4/5/1823          ditto
Eliza bp.20/6/1825             ditto
John bp.28/12/1828           ditto
Abel Robert bp.25/12/1831  ditto
Rachel bp.7/9/1834            ditto

1st wife Elizabeth bur.15/11/1834 St. Mary, Chatham aged 44 years.

So, all in all, the online trees referred to are somewhat 'up the pole' i.e. Frances was his second wife and not the mother of James' children, his first wife and mother of children is Elizabeth, AND as his second marriage details show, James was son of Abel (baptism details as posted by bearkat).  James' mother was therefore not named Ann Rippon.  As you've found yourself, the online trees omit specific details and looks like people have 'guessed' and others have blindly copied wrong information.

Abel Nye, bachelor of Chatham, married Mary Kitchingham, spinster of Newington, 13/9/1777 Newington, Kent after banns (per Kent Marriages).

Annette

[Chezzyp]

If you study the children with James and Frances you will find from baptisms on familysearch that Frances was not the mother of the children - Frances was a second wife:

James Nye, widower, son of Abel Nye, married Frances Vowell, widow, dau. of Christopher Woodington, 8/7/1839 St. Marys, Chatham.

James's first wife was named Elizabeth and think this is probably the marriage:

James Nye married Elizabeth Tomlin 7/4/1811 Aylesford, Kent.

James and Elizabeth had the following children baptised (which includes 4 who are not on the 1841 census in Gillingham):

Sarah Ann b.13/11/1811, bp.18/5/1812 Wesleyan at either Tunbridge Wells, Maidstone or Sevenoaks (all 3 shown on familysearch)
Henry Joseph b.26/2/1813, bp.6/10/1813    ditto
James bp.11/9/1814 St. Margaret, Rochester
William bp.12/4/1818 St. Mary, Chatham
Marianne bp.28/11/1821    ditto
Thomas bp.4/5/1823          ditto
Eliza bp.20/6/1825             ditto
John bp.28/12/1828           ditto
Abel Robert bp.25/12/1831  ditto
Rachel bp.7/9/1834            ditto

1st wife Elizabeth bur.15/11/1834 St. Mary, Chatham aged 44 years.

So, all in all, the online trees referred to are somewhat 'up the pole' i.e. Frances was his second wife and not the mother of James' children, his first wife and mother of children is Elizabeth, AND as his second marriage details show, James was son of Abel (baptism details as posted by bearkat).  James' mother was therefore not named Ann Rippon.  As you've found yourself, the online trees omit specific details and looks like people have 'guessed' and others have blindly copied wrong information.

Abel Nye, bachelor of Chatham, married Mary Kitchingham, spinster of Newington, 13/9/1777 Newington, Kent after banns (per Kent Marriages).

Annette

Thank you SO much Annette; I really need to be more objective when I glean information. In my own defence, much of this was gleaned when I first started out and it's only now that I'm asking questions and digging deeper.
I still haven't worked out how to reply to replies apart from using "quote" as I have done here. 😕
Thanks again,
Cheryl

[Annette7]

Cheryl

To reply you just click on 'REPLY' in the blue box at the bottom of the page.

Have just checked and of the 46 trees on Ancestry only one shows the correct parents for James i.e. Abel Nye and Mary Kitchingham.   I really don't understand how, in this instance, the submitters mistakes have been made.   All the information is freely available on familysearch and easy to check.

Annette

[Chezzyp]

Thanks Annette; I'm on my iPad and didn't have the full app open so there was no "reply" button. Got it now, as you can see.
Just shows how easy it is to follow blindly and presume one person's info is correct. I've got some serious unravelling to do....

Cheryl