William Campbell and Isabella Baillie (Bailey). Tasmania

[rickeyh]

I now have the death certificate for Isabella Herbertson nee Bailey (it's only money)

Lo and behold it does list Isabella as one of her children aged 48 in 1883. Informant was the son Robert (to who Isabella Overend wrote shortly after Isabella Herbertson died). Only one marriage listed to Robert (snr) in Tasmania. Date of marriage not known.

Father's name; not known, but he was a soldier.
Mother's name; Isabella Bailey - maiden name not known.

Born in Edinburgh, 42 years in Victoria. I have verified that they arrived in Portland Victoria in 1841.

[rickeyh]

Letter from Isabella Overend to Robert Herbertson jnr. Obviously acquainted with the family.

So, I think it is fair to say that Isabella Bailey married William Campbell (1) and then Robert Herbertson (2)??

So, the question remains, what happened to William Campbell?

[wivenhoe]

Thank you for scanning the letter.

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate 1883 please.

I am not surprised to see Isabella listed as a daughter, but it is all the details that are useful to work with.

My reservation about the christening record is that it is not recorded by the minister.

All entries on the page are in the one writing, so likely transcribed from.......what?........writing on a piece of paper?  The last digit on 1831 might not be accurate.

 

[rickeyh]

Wivenhoe, I'm not sure what specific information you are wanting from the death certificate other than what I have already given.

If you can let me know I will post it.

I see what you mean about the baptism record but the date of birth and parent's names do seem to correlate to this record https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTRQ-C5T (date of birth a bit out).

I don't know where the record comes from. Regardless though, Isabella Overend nee Campbell seems to be a daughter of Isabella Herbertson.

[rickeyh]

Not sure if this helps but I have detailed the ages of Isabella's children as at her date of death and compared them to the 'actual' year of birth. Janet is the only one with a recorded date of birth. Notice that Isabella's age of 48 makes her born in 1835. Isabella Bailey and Robert Herbertson were married in 1834. Has there been some 'fudging' going on here? Janet's age has is also a bit out maybe to because of adjustments to Isabella's age.

Could be just simple errors though.

Name	Age at Isabella's Death (1883)	Calculated Year of Birth	Actual Year of Birth
Isabella	48	1835	1831 (Baptism Record)
Janet	46	1837	1835 (Baptism Record)*
Mary	44	1839	1839 (age at death)
James	decd
Robert	40	1843	1843 (age at death)
Sarah	38	1845	1844 (age at death)
Eliza	35	1848	1849 (age at death)
Georgina	decd
Thomas	30	1853	1852  (age at death)
Samuel	28	1855	1853 (age at death)

* http://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1084200/one
(NOTE: Father's name recorded as David Herbertson - presumably a transcription error)

I'm away from the computer for the next few days.

Hope you can help me sort this out.

Rickey

[TasTyger]

Re the arrival of the North Briton from Leith to VDL 12 Nov.1832, Ancestry has the passenger list for this voyage and in the steerage section are listed - Mr Wm Campbell, Mrs Campbell & child.

Cheers,

Peter

[wivenhoe]

For these events, have you looked for images of the church records on Scotlandspeople site?

*Isabella Baillie b.7/12/1810 NORTH LEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
parents Samuel Baillie and Isabella Lawson.

*7/2/1831, Isabella m. William Campbell in Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Father of bride - Samuel Baillie

*12/7/1831 Isabella b.in Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
to William and Isabella Campbell.

*......... her father as Samuel Bailey and her mother Isabella Lawson. (a marriage record)

[rickeyh]

Thanks Wivenhoe, I had not looked there - I will think about. Costs are mounting up.

I have now a copy of the actual Baptismal Record from the register at the church in Hobart and the details I previously provided are correct.

Born 4/7/1831, Baptised 12/3/1839.

So I think the question still remains, what happened to William Campbell, and why did Isabella Bailey re-marry under her maiden name and as a spinster.

Rickey

[rickeyh]

Just in case anyone looks at this in the future. I have worked out what happened to William Douglas Campbell.

In 1854 he marries Jane Elizabeth Lily in Brunswick near Melbourne. He does not declare his previous marriage to Isabella Bailey and declares his marital status as 'Bachelor'. Occupation 'Confectioner'.

In 1856 a son William was born in Melbourne.
His daughter Isabella marries and states her father's occupation as 'Confectioner'

In 1861 he appears in the Scotland Census with his family and also his mother in law. His occupations is stated as 'Master Confectioner'.

In 1880 he appears on the US Census. Occupation 'Confectioner'.

He died in the US in Harlan, Iowa, USA on the 17 Apr 1904.

I am certain this is  the right 'William Campbell'