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Family tree maker query
« on: Tuesday 12 May 15 08:24 BST (UK) »
My laptop died last Friday and (according to three telephone diagnoses) it is the motherboard and the only thing I can do is throw it away and buy a new one. Laptop is now with only repairer who would bother to take a look at it, so I should know whether it is repairable later today.
I fear it won't be and I will be forced to buy a new one.

I bought Broderbund family tree maker for windows 95 and 98 (deluxe 8 CD set) many years ago and have run it on a succession of computers with different versions of Windows for more than 15 years  (including laptop with Vista). Is this essentially the same software which is now in a 2014 version and is being sold by Ancestry? I have checked the Broderbund website and they now sell software called Family Tree Heritage which seem to link to Family Search not Ancestry.
If the Broderbund software I bought back in 1999 works on the latest version of Windows, then it's OK, but I think from what I've read it won't.
The most important thing is whether my saved trees can be read by any new programme - whatever that might be.
Any advice please?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 10:01 BST (UK) »
Ancestry completely rewrote FTM when they purchased the program so no it is nothing like the new version. I have FTM2006 working on Wimdows 7 ok but whether your older version would work on anything newer than Vista is debateable although there are some similarities between Vista and Win7. I don't think from what I've read that 2006 version works on Wimdows 8 though unless run with some virtual software. Unfortunately I think you will need to purchase some newer software, especially if you have to purchase a Win8 laptop. :-\
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 12:15 BST (UK) »
Yes I was thinking it would have to be new software. But would new software be able to read the old Family Tree maker files?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 14:22 BST (UK) »
FTM2014 states you can import trees created in FTM version 5 or newer.  A quick look on google suggests FTM v7 is from 1997 so it looks like you should be able to import OK.

Depending on whether you really need the free ancestry subscription, and, as you may know, they vary depending on which version of FTM you purchase, it may be better to purchase the Upgrade version which I've seen quoted as actually being a full version of the program.  Its cheaper and if you find you don't like FTM2014, then you've not lost a great deal of money purchasing it.  With FTM2014 you could then export your trees to gedcom and import them into other software.

Although I do have 2012 and 2014, I purchased them for the free 6 month subscriptions.  I switched to Family Historian two years ago and find it far better and probably a bit closer in "look" to the older versions of FTM rather than the ancestry version.  Its also no way as bloated as the new versions of FTM.
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day


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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 15:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you that's very useful. The box my discs are in says version 6 but the 500 page manual with it says 5th unless that's the version of the book.  I have a sub to Ancestry which runs until November before renewal, so not in need of that at the moment. But could I buy just the upgrade if I don't have the old one installed already? (Which I won't have on my new laptop if it won't install on Windows 8.)
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 16:18 BST (UK) »
I've definitely seen it posted somewhere that the Upgrade was a full version of the software, but am struggling to find the post.  You would expect that "Upgrade" would mean that but ...  There are known issues with FTM 2014 and its updates, some people have found it won't install, although I had no issue.  It might be worth initially looking for a copy of FTM 2012, you can often get the Premium version online for about £30 and it does provide 6 months free access.  There aren't that many differences between 2012 and 2014, although on the latter they did provide a "family" tree view which hasn't existed since they took over the product.  That said, its not like the "family" view in the earlier versions. 

If you know anyone with a copy of the software, it may be better to get them to export the trees to gedcom for you and try some of the other products as many have free trials. :-\  Personally, other than the free access that comes with the product, I don't think that much of FTM now.  Some people use it to sync with their trees on ancestry but if you don't have any trees on ancestry, its not that useful.

There is a link on this post to a video overview of FTM2012 which is much the same as 2014 - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720435.msg5642427#msg5642427.
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 May 15 15:00 BST (UK) »
Good idea. I've asked around and found someone with a vintage computer running Windows XP and an equally vintage FTM. So could be in business! But have found that my back up files were not the latest. Although my computer is definitely pronounced dead (motherboard deceased) my hard drive is OK and all the files have been rescued. I should get them back on Monday or Tuesday.
Thanks for all your advice.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Family tree maker query
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 10:07 BST (UK) »
Update

I now have my shiny new laptop!
Ancestry product support advised me to download trial version of FTM 2005 and convert my old files to FTM 2005 versions (I have also seen same thing mentioned here on Rootschat). This is because latest version of FTM cannot read very old files directly so it needs an intermediate form. They converted all right. The size was about the same as original and I don't appear to have lost any information. The screens were very similar to what I was used to with the old version. But to be on the safe side and make the files more portable I also made a set of Gedcom files from them.

I had a look at the various information on the latest FTM and the link posted by Smudwhisk and although it had some good features, I didn't think I would be able to get on with it.

I downloaded the basic free version of Legacy, but it would only import a Gedcom not the FTM files (neither original nor 2005 versions) and this lost all my images. My main file is 52 Mb and contains about 3000 people as FTM file, The Gedcom was a fraction of the size. I tried to compile a new tree on Legacy - just a small one from notes I gathered on a family branch which now looks like it connects to the main tree. The main person (Charles) married in 1822 to Charlotte, had five children, left his wife then lived with another woman (Augusta) for about 15 years and had several more children. They split up at about the time Augusta had a child with another man (a professor - so he claimed). He then lived with a second partner (Louisa) and had three more children. he eventually married Louisa when Charlotte (his wife of 1822) died.
The legacy programme showed all children, not just those of each relationship, when the particular wife / partner was selected. It had a 1/2 in front of those which were not hers, but put hers first, which meant they were out of birth order. Just to add to the confusion the "professor" was married to (or lived as man and wife according to censuses) successively with three other women. I haven't even tried adding children of these unions. I can't make it compile any reports, I keep getting error message about printer not being configured. But my printer works perfectly on all other programmes. It won't even show any reports on the screen.

Yesterday I downloaded basic, free rootsmagic essentials, and so far quite impressed. It has an import directly for FTM files from 2006 and older, and my files import completely with all images (original old ones not 2005 version). The screen looks more similar to old FTM. I haven't tried it with Charles and his various ladies, but I have looked at some ancestors who married twice and had children with both wives and it lists each group separately with the wife as FTM does. There are a lot of useful features which are only in the purchased version, but if my trial continues to look good, I'll be buying the full version.


Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 August 15 15:28 BST (UK) »
As I'm probably going to have to reinstall all my software and possibly buy some new versions when I upgrade to  Windows 10, I thought I might as well try my old FTM disc to see if it installs on Windows 8. I wasn't going to lose anything by it.
And it did install! Everything works except the help (which didn't work in Vista anyway). All my photos and images of records are still there.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott