Author Topic: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940  (Read 7021 times)

Offline Franticly53

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 16
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
My 2nd great grandfather born 1867 in Birmingham, UK.

Henry Richard Vernals had a great life. However, on 24th July 1912 aboard the Royal Edward fled for the United States. Henry left his wife, Mary Jane and his three sons, Henry, Clarence and Harold in Sheffield to fend for themselves.

We know Henry changed his name to Harry Bell and this is the name he used to board the Royal Edward at Bristol and head for America via Quebec, Canada. He also took approx 7/8 years off his age.

We also know from the 1920 census, between 1912 and 1920 he married again to a woman named Della, became naturalized living in Lucas County and worked in an automobile factory.

Interestingly, Della is listed as French Canadian on the 1920, 1930 and 1940 census. Did Henry Vernals/Harry Bell meet Della in Quebec when he first arrived? Who is Della Bell. What is her maiden name?

Della died in 1940. Leaving Henry/Harry a widow. No children are listed on any census. We already know Henry/Harry was a bigamist after leaving Mary Jane back in the UK.

From Family connections, we know Henry/Harry came back to the UK in March 1959, aboard the Sylvania from New York to Liverpool. He had put an advertisement in the local paper asking for information on his three sons and wife. The advertisement was answered by Clarence's son Fred.

Henry/Harry found his wife and three sons had passed away. After 2 weeks, on 28th March 1959, Henry/Harry left the UK and went back to the United States aboard the Media from Liverpool to New York.

Harry died not long after on the 11th July 1960 at the Medical College of Ohio Hospital, Lucas County. Toledo. OHIO.

I am unable to locate a marriage record for Harry Bell and Della.
I am unable to find cemetery records for Harry Bell or Della Bell.
I cannot find a maiden name for Della.
I cannot find any naturalization records for Harry Bell or Della
.

Does any one have any ideas where I could look next?

Offline *Sandra*

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 58,856
  • Marie Curie
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 May 15 15:59 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Harry Bell appears on the Toledo - Lucas County Library -  Blade Obituary Index
Here is a link to request a copy.

http://www.toledolibrary.org/obits/view1.asp?id1=355569

Sandra
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada

Offline *Sandra*

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 58,856
  • Marie Curie
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:20 BST (UK) »
There is a Detroit border crossing - 16 March 1925 for Harry Bell aged 50 years born 1870 Birmingham. Harry had been in the USA from 1917 - 1925. Metal Finisher. Home was 1842 Sylvania (same address as the 1930/1940 census) Brother-in-law Chas Clifford - Amherethey/Amberothing  ??? (not sure what that name is - have asked a friend in Ontario if she can help - fingers crossed. ) Ontario

Sandra
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada

Offline dbree

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,874
  • Canada
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:40 BST (UK) »
Hi,

A friend from Ontario  ;D thinks it's Amherstburg, Ontario.

Cheers,
DB


Offline *Sandra*

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 58,856
  • Marie Curie
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much friend in Ontario -  can the friend help find Della or brother Charles Clifford on Canadian Census  ??? I suspect Della had been in the USA for quite a while and may have been married previously. According to the 1930 census - Harry age at first marriage 46 years which could mean they had been married 11 years - around 1919. Della gave age at first marriage as 37 years so around 1918.

Cheers
Sandra  ;)
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada

Offline *Sandra*

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 58,856
  • Marie Curie
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:52 BST (UK) »
Can see a burial listed in the drouins collection for a Chas Clifford - Amherstburg, Ontario - Church Name was St Jean -  Catholique - 26 February 1941 - wife Margaret.

Sandra
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada

Offline dbree

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,874
  • Canada
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:58 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I think this could be Charles Clifford in 1921 Amherstburg,

Clifford, Charles age 39, b. Ontario, can't make out his occ.
Clifford, Margaret age 44 b. Ontario
Bellecoure, Philomene age 84 b. Ontario, mother-in-law
Marshall, Joseph, age 10, b. Ontario, nephew

Cheers,
DB

Offline Franticly53

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 16
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 May 15 17:10 BST (UK) »
Wow!

You guys are AMAZING!!!!

Lots of doors open now and avenues to research! Thank you so so much!

Offline *Sandra*

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 58,856
  • Marie Curie
    • View Profile
Re: Harry and Della Bell Living in Lucas County, Toledo. OHIO 1920-1940
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 May 15 17:24 BST (UK) »
DB is an amazing star -   ;D  can see her blushing now  :-[

Notice on the death record for Della - it is giving her parents as -

Andrew Belcoure - Amberstburg, Ontario and Mother  Philomen Butrand - Amberstburg, Ontario

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fbj/

Sandra
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner"

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada