Death & Burial of Thomas Devine-Salford

[jean.ellison]

Hi, can anyone help me where to turn to next?, I have just received the death certificate for my great grandfather, Thomas Devine, who died 25th Jul 1905, on the certificate it states there was an inquest dated 28th Jul and he was buried at Weaste Cemetery on the 29th, in a public grave, so I'm told I can't find the plot number. Thomas was still married but there was no mention on his wife on the certificate, but in 1891 he was in Strangeways prison and in 1901, Salford Union Workhouse, ages are wrong on both, but occupation, as a Bricklayer, and birthplace, Salford, match. I have no census records of the two together, so presume they were living apart most of their married life. I have found on the parish records that a service was held at a local RC church before burial, would his wife have had to pay for this? and does anyone know where I can find any more information?, any help appreciated, best wishes, Jean.

[rosie99]

Do you have his wife on census 

[heywood]

I would have thought that if they weren't together, and it looks as though there was no money around, the religious service would have been charitable.
Where was his wife living?

[rolnora]

You could try CEMSEARCH-uk.
There is a Devine on the list of people buried at Weaste cemetery.
There are 7 other people buried in the grave and you can order the report.
It would cost you £6.00  which is perhaps a bit steep for one record........
They say they are in the process of putting the public grave records on line free of charge but as far as I can make out the last update was 2007, so I'm not sure it still applies and you could have a lengthy wait

http://www.cemsearch.co.uk/weaste/weaste.html

[garstonite]

does this help ?...you need someone who can read Latin
Death: 25 Jul 1905 All Souls and St John Vianney, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Thos. Devine -
    Burial: 29 Jul 1905
    Age: 59
    Notes: Sepultum est in coemeterio apud Weaste. Ex Hope.
    Sacraments Given: Y
    Buried by: J. Callaway
    Source: Original Register at Salford Diocesan Archives

so if he was 59 - he was born 1845/46 - what year did he marry ??

[jean.ellison]

Hi, thank you all for your replies, Thomas's wife was Mary Ann Kennedy, born 1851 in Ireland, they married on the 4 Jun 1868 in St Wilfreds Chapel, Chorlton, Manchester, I have Mary Ann in the 1861  census, living in Darwen and and all the others in Salford, until her death in 1909.
I have Thomas's birth certificate and he was born in 1839 in Salford, in 1901 his age made him born in 1830 and his death certificate listed him as 59, which was wrong, it has took me a very long time to figure out which was mine and I originally sent for the wrong one, but this one lists him as a Bricklayer, just no mention of his wife, or his son John or daughter Rose. The burial at Weaste is him, but when I contacted Agecroft cemetery where they hold the records, they told me it was a Public grave so they could not tell me a plot number, I am trying to find if there are any newspapers that may cover the area for that time to see if there is a report on the inquest, but not having much luck, also does anyone where inquest records are held?, best wishes, Jean.

[kilkennylass]

I've just searched his name on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ nothing comes up that could be him

does this help ?...you need someone who can read Latin
Death: 25 Jul 1905 All Souls and St John Vianney, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Thos. Devine -
    Burial: 29 Jul 1905
    Age: 59
    Notes: Sepultum est in coemeterio apud Weaste. Ex Hope.
    Sacraments Given: Y
    Buried by: J. Callaway
    Source: Original Register at Salford Diocesan Archives

so if he was 59 - he was born 1845/46 - what year did he marry ??

Sepultum est in coemeterio apud Weaste. Ex Hope. = Buried in the cemetery of Weaste. With Hope

[jean.ellison]

Hi, thank you for checking for me, I think the next step will be checking which newspapers are available in Salford History Museum, and thanks for the translation, best wishes, Jean.

[heywood]

I've just searched his name on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ nothing comes up that could be him

does this help ?...you need someone who can read Latin
Death: 25 Jul 1905 All Souls and St John Vianney, Weaste, Lancashire, England
Thos. Devine -
    Burial: 29 Jul 1905
    Age: 59
    Notes: Sepultum est in coemeterio apud Weaste. Ex Hope.
    Sacraments Given: Y
    Buried by: J. Callaway
    Source: Original Register at Salford Diocesan Archives

so if he was 59 - he was born 1845/46 - what year did he marry ??

Sepultum est in coemeterio apud Weaste. Ex Hope. = Buried in the cemetery of Weaste. With Hope

I would have thought 'Ex Hope' means from Hope- the name of the hospital.
It would have been in Latin perhaps otherwise?