Seymour family - Auckland 1840/50s

[Mel_Elsayed]

Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Wivenhoe, I just followed on the Kates/Keates witnesses. Here's what I found:
Joseph Keates immigrated to Australia 1833 as a convict. Married 1839 to Eleanor (Catherine) SEYMOUR!! After you said that there were some matches appear in Australia.
I also searched Papers past for Catherine Keates and there's an article that says she had a situation resulting in police charges with Margaret O'Brien in 1860. On NZ BMD there's a Mary Seymour who married Edward O'Brien, BMD give 1848, Ancestry register it as 1840. I'm guessing this Mary/Margaret O'Brien (nee Seymour) is Margaret SMITH's mother!! I will have to order some certificates to confirm. But there is also a Margaret Seymour born 1832, New South Wales - mother: Mary, father: Thomas - this could be Margaret Smith.
I'm guessing the article about the police charges show that there was a family rift, or maybe it shows Margaret Seymour wasn't the most trustworthy of people and that's why she didn't take care of Michael.

[Lucy2]

Hi Mel_Elsayed

Some further information for you re: Joseph KEATES.

As you've already discovered, he was transported to New South Wales, Australia as a convict in 1833.
He had been sentenced in Bristol (Gloucestershire) to 7 years in 1832 for rioting.

In the NSW Convicts Applications to Marry Registers (and Joseph KEATES appears to made two applications 1838 and 1839), there is additional info.

KEATES - Joseph - 31 years (7 years - Free) - Bachelor  (Ship - "Heroine" )
SEYMOUR* - Elinor - 25 years - Came free - Widow  (Ship - "Strathfieldsay" .. difficult to decipher)
[*  Surname indexed as "SAYMOUR" ]

So this "Elinor SEYMOUR" (born circa 1814) was not a convict, but had arrived at some time on the abovenamed ship, either with a husband or she was already widowed .... or, she had married in Australia.
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[Lucy2]

At the NSW State Records website, you can view / search, the immigration passenger lists by "name of ship".

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online

"Strathfieldsay" -- or, "Strathfieldsaye" -- arrrived NSW - 26 January 1838

This immigrant list doesn't show all passengers by name.
In the case of SEYMOUR, they're listed as a married couple.
The husband's name is shown as "Jas." (abbrev. for James), ...his occupation is "quarryman", he's 27 years.  He has a wife aged 25 ... and three children under age 14,  = 2 x boys, 1 x girl.
Their native place is given as "Tipperary" (Ireland).

The above (NSW site) also gives a link to FamilySearch, for "Assisted Bounty Immigrants to NSW - 1828-1842" ).
This gives a little more information (including names of wife (Ellen), the children and their ages.)
Children:   Michael (3 yrs) ,  John (6 months)  and Margaret, 4.5 years.

The child Margaret SEYMOUR (bc 1833) seems to be a good match for the Margaret SMITH (d. 1857) you have.   Further, this Margaret also has a father named James !!

[Lucy2]

And Peter Madden's excellent site, gives good information if your rellies arrived in Australia from Tipperary. 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maddenps/TIPPEM5.htm

Scroll down to find surnames beginning with "S".

[The native place of Ellen SEYMOUR has been given here and also the name and location of the Priest who would have acted as a referee for their emigration documentation. ]

I have further info to post on the KEATES family.

  ~  Lu 

[wivenhoe]

"...Joseph and Catherine lived on Chapel Street (same street where Antonio died)."

Use PapersPast    Auckland Star
6 Feb 1894 death notice for Catherine KEATS  her residence Chapel St
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?

7 Mar 1888 death Joseph KEATES  res. of his daughter Occidental Hotel
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?

23 Mar 1888  divorce Catherine LYNCH / Dennis LYNCH
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?
...I stayed with my mother Mrs KEATS in Chapel St

17 Jun 1890  fate of Occidental estate of Mr Lynch etc...children beneficiaries....
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?

21 Oct 1887  assault on daughter of Catherine LYNCH....
Benjamin KEATS is proprietor of Occidental Hotel
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?

Not sure where this Benjamin fits in ....


BDM NSW death
5106 / 1925 KEATES Benjamin                                                   Redfern   
parents  Joseph / Catherine

27353 / 1948 KEATES Benjamin John                                         Concord
parents Benjamin John / Annie

13769 / 1941 KEATES Annie Marie                                              Sydney
parents John / Bride

4582 / 1969 KEATES Gertrude Maude                                          Sydney
parents Edward / Ellen

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
KEATES Benjamin                  62y       21 Apr 1925           SEC *M2*8*290  (b. ~ 1863)
KEATES Annie M                    73yr      11 Aug 1941          SEC *M2*8*290
KEATES Benjamin J                60yr     20 Dec 1948          SEC *M2*8*289
KEATES Gertrude Maud          75yr      25 Aug 1969          SEC *M2*8*289

 
BDM NZ birth
1863/7588 KEATES  Benjamin Christopher Stephen 
parents Catherine / Joseph

There is a Probate file to see  NZ  for Catherine KEATES d. 1894.

[Lucy2]

Hi Mel_Elsayed

Just to let you know that I still have info to post for KATES / KEATES family.   

"wivenhoe" has already given you some links I had been about to add, but there is further to come.
I'll attempt to do this shortly.   (RootsChat must be busy at present, I'm have problems hooking up to site.     )

    ~  Lu

[Mel_Elsayed]

Hi Lucy2, thanks very much for all that. I received the death certificate for Catherine Keates. Gives her maiden name as O'Sullivan, father John O'Sullivan and born in Ireland. Two living children, Female 35yrs and Male 31yrs. Informant was the undertaker.

I'm trying to track down the other two Seymour children that came over on the Strathfieldsaye. Michael and John Seymour. I've contacted the Catholic archives again as Margaret had a confirmation in 1848, so maybe the two boys did too.

[Lucy2]

I received the death certificate for Catherine Keates. Gives her maiden name as O'Sullivan, father John O'Sullivan and born in Ireland. Two living children, Female 35yrs and Male 31yrs. Informant was the undertaker.

Hi ... good idea to have got the death cert. for Catherine.   

Yes, her maiden name was O'SULLIVAN (or SULLIVAN).   
There is an early Auckland birth listed for what was probably her first child with Joseph ?

KATES - Mary Anne - b. 21 November 1852
Father:  Joseph - labourer - Auckland
Mother:  Catherine - nee SULLIVAN

Mary Anne KATES (aka KEATES / KEATS) died aged 6 years - 22 July 1858
Buried with her brother William John KEATS/KEATES - d. 1885 aged 31 - at Symonds Street Cemetery - St. Benedicts Section.  [On list as removed graves from that cemetery - listed as KEATES].

The two surviving children (in 1894) of Catherine KEATES were,  Catherine (formerly LYNCH) CLARKE and Benjamin KEATES, (aka Benjamin Christopher Stephen KEATES), blacksmith, of Auckland.  This is the Benjamin KEATES who died in 1925 in NSW - as mentioned in "wivenhoe's" previous post.

[Lucy2]

I'm trying to track down the other two Seymour children that came over on the Strathfieldsaye. Michael and John Seymour. I've contacted the Catholic archives again as Margaret had a confirmation in 1848, so maybe the two boys did too.

Hi ... what I haven't been able to find as yet, is the death of Ellen / Elinor / Eleanor / Nellie KEATES (or variant of that surname) ... either in Australia or NZ.   

Wonder if it's worth also asking Catholic archives if they have a death / burial record ??

As to the SEYMOUR boys, (Michael and John), have found nothing for them either.

   ~  Lu