Re: Parents of Joseph Robson b1829 Houghton Le Spring

[billbir]

Can anyone help. I have a Joseph Robson married to my 2nd GG Aunt, Hannah Fishburn, on 29 June 1851 in the Parish Church Hetton le Hole. His fathers name is John. The only birth that I can find is on 2 December 1829 with parents John and Christiana Robson and this was in Houghton le Spring. I can find no marriage for a John Robson and Christiana and no births for either of them. I am very interested in finding out Christiana's surname and whether they had any other children besides Joseph.

Any help would be much appreciated.

[Tickettyboo]

Do you have Joseph and Hannah on a census return after 1851? That would give an occupation and a birthplace which would help to perhaps narrow it down


Boo

[billbir]

I know that they had at least two children Isabella 1852 and John 1854 but I cannot find Joseph on the 1851 census and by 1861 I think that Joseph has died.

Bill

[Tickettyboo]

Hi Bill

The possible baptism you have for Joseph in Houghton Spring is in the Bishops Transcripts  on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fym/
That says that Dad, John is a pitman


I looked back through the registers and found another 'possible', this time for a John baptised 23 March 1828
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fyp/
That one says that Dad, John, is a sailor -  its still a possible as folk did change occupations, bad though the pits were it was more dangerous at sea and at least if you worked down the pit you got to see your family more often.

Going further back I found an Ann "ROBINSON" who is an outside chance as I've seen worse surname variations, baptised 13 Oct 1822, That one also says Dad is a sailor and gives their abode as South Shields.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fyq/

and, to further confuse you :-) The only 'outside chance' marriage I could find using John ROBSON/ROBINSON with a spouse called Christiana was for a John ROBINSON to a Christiana PATTINSON 12 Jun 1819, Jarrow
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fyr/

All smoke and mirrors, but I thought I'd chuck them into the mix for you to have a think about, sorry its not more concrete.

Boo

[billbir]

Thanks for that. I have to say that I think that the first one is most likely but that does not take me too far forward. I appreciate the time that you have taken to try to help me.

Bill

[2zpool]

Do you know for sure Joseph Robson was born Houghton le Spring?  How old was he on his marriage and where was he living when he got married?  What did it say on the marriage as to his father's occupation?  What was Joseph's occupation?

Janis

[2zpool]

Just so we are all on the same page.  It does help to give all the information that you have

Was Hannah Fishburn's father Thomas Fishburn?  And this is her in the 1861 census?
RG9/3756 folio 49 page 18?

Hetton le Hole

Thomas Fishburn, Head, Mar 57, Horsekeeper in coal mine, Yorkshire
Jane Fishburn Wife, Mar, Northumberland Ross?
William fishburn, son, unm, 18, Coal miner, Durham Hetton le Hole
Hannah Robson, daur, widow, 32, Durham hetton le Hole
Isabella Robson, grand daur, 8, Scholar, Durham Merrington Grange
John Robson, grandson, 7, Scholar, Durham Hetton le Hole

Was Hannah Fishburn a servant living on a farm in Pittington in the 1851 census?  Why I am asking this is right next to her on the census is a Joseph Robson, age 23 born Northumberland.  I cannot tell if it says a place or if it is Unknown.  See HO 107/2391 folio 420 page 32

Janis

[billbir]

Hi Janis, Thanks for your two replies, they certainly made me realise, how abridged my query was. I may have put two and two together and come to five!

Yes, Hannah Fishburn's father was Thomas, a Labourer. I had seen the 1861 census showing Hannah and the two children, which was how I knew that Joseph was deceased. I had not spotted Joseph aged 23 from Northumberland, on the 1851 census, which might throw a whole different light on the issue, as I had been convinced that he was born in Houghton Le Spring, to John and Christiana Robson. Now possibly a massive misassumption!

The marriage certificate for Joseph and Hannah, says that they were both of full age and lived in Brick Garth. The church was in Hetton Le Hole but the registration in Houghton Le Spring. Both fathers, John Robson and Thomas Fishburn's, were Labourers as was Joseph.

The two witnesses were:- Roger Lawson and George Emmerson, both names mean nothing to me.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and for your advice, I will take it on board in the future.

Bill

[billbir]

An update to my query, is that the 1851 Census shows Joseph Robson as born in Soke, Northumberland. I can find no such location. Can anyone suggest an alternative? We know that at the time of Josephs Marriage to Hannah Fishburn in April 1851, his father was John and at that time was a labourer. Should I be posting this query on the Northumberland forum?