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RE: MICHAEL MURRAY - 16th IRISH DIVISION - QUERY
« on: Wednesday 16 September 15 09:28 BST (UK) »
Looking for some assistance concerning a relation of mine who survived the war.

Michael Francis Murray of the 10th Royal Dublin Fusiliers was awarded a citation (image attached) in which it states "I have read with much pleasure.................and have ordered your name to be entered in the record of the Irish division".

Would appreciate help with responses to the following:

What is this citation: does it constitute "mentioned in dispatches" or similar?

Where is the record of the Irish Division held if it still exist?.

He was transferred to class Z of the army reserve on 18.03.1919 and then subsequently discharged on demobilization on 31.03.1920 under para 392 (xxv111) K.R.  What was class "Z" and what exactly was para 392 (xxv111) K.R?

In 1940 now a much older man he re-enlisted into army and served in the Pioneer Corps. He was discharged after only about two years and 8 months. The cause of discharge given in his paybook  was "His services being no longer required - for the purpose for which he enlisted. Para: 390 (xviii)(a) Kings Regs: 1940. He died in 1949 of pulmonary tuberculosis. On discharge his conduct was "very good". I wonder was he in poor health - What do these regulations refer to?

Would be grateful for any assistance,

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Re: RE: MICHAEL MURRAY - 16th IRISH DIVISION - QUERY
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 September 15 09:40 BST (UK) »
The website "The Long Long Trail" (www.1914-1918.net) has some info:

http://www.1914-1918.net/dubs.htm
Which says:

10th (Service) Battalion
Formed in Dublin in late 1915. Moved to Buttevant, then in June 1915 to Ballyhooley. Moved to England in August 1916, going to Pirbright.
19 August 1916 : landed at Le Havre and placed under command of 190th Brigade in 63rd (Royal Naval) Division.
23 June 1917 : transferred to 48th Brigade in 16th (Irish) Division.
24 October 1917 : absorbed surplus troops from 8/9th Bn.
15 February 1918 : disbanded in France, men going to 19th Entrenching Battalion.

And details of the 10th (Irish) Division:
http://www.1914-1918.net/10div.htm

Class Z Reserve was authorised by an Army Order of 3 December 1918. There were fears that Germany would not accept the terms of any peace treaty and therefore the British Government decided it would be wise to be able to quickly recall trained men in the eventuality of the resumption of hostilities. Soldiers who were being demobilised, particularly those who had agreed to serve “for the duration”, were at first posted to Class Z. They returned to civilian life but with an obligation to return if called upon. The Z Reserve was abolished on 31 March 1920.

King's Regulations, paragraph 392 (xxviii) says: Discharged (xxviii) On demobilization.
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Re: RE: MICHAEL MURRAY - 16th IRISH DIVISION - QUERY
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 September 15 10:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you KGarrad for those links - I've had a quick look (i'm at work!) lots to review. Do you have any information on the status of the citatio and where the record of the Irish Division may be held?,

Agains thank you for your assistance.

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Re: RE: MICHAEL MURRAY - 16th IRISH DIVISION - QUERY
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 September 15 11:21 BST (UK) »
Divisions were only nominally of the regular army.

Any records would be with his regiment (Royal Dublin Fusiliers).

For "Mentioned in Despatches", see this page:
http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/gallantry.html

As it says there, you may find something in The London Gazette?
www.thegazette.co.uk
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Re: RE: MICHAEL MURRAY - 16th IRISH DIVISION - QUERY
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 16 September 15 11:32 BST (UK) »
Thank you once again KGarrad