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Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« on: Saturday 26 September 15 20:39 BST (UK) »
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               I'm hoping someone can help me find Jane Dempster in the 1871 census, she was age 21 on her marriage certificate in June 1886. so born about 1865, in Whitehaven, Cumberland. Her Father was William Dempster (deceased) according to her marriage certificate, not sure when he died. In 1881 she was living with her step mother, Margaret Bethwaite.
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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 September 15 20:45 BST (UK) »
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In 1881 she was living with her step mother, Margaret Bethwaite.

Wouldn't her stepmother be Dempster if she married Jane's father?

Jane is shown as 14yrs old so perhaps born a bit later than 1865
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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 September 15 20:48 BST (UK) »
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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 September 15 20:53 BST (UK) »
Strong possibility she was illegitimate

Marriages June qtr 1877   
William Bethwaite        Whitehaven    10b   859    
Margaret Dempter (as spelt on freebmd)     
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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 September 15 20:54 BST (UK) »
Yes Carole that is her birth  ;D
Smith, Elliott, Newbury/Newberry, Boswell, Rutherford, Gray, Mobbs, Heron/Hearn

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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 September 15 21:02 BST (UK) »
Hmmm, if Margaret was the mother of Jane she would have given birth to her when she was 15. Also janes father william, is on janes marriage certificate as Dempster, is it possible that wasnt his actual surname ?
Smith, Elliott, Newbury/Newberry, Boswell, Rutherford, Gray, Mobbs, Heron/Hearn

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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 September 15 21:06 BST (UK) »
In 1891, Thomas Bethwaite aged 13 b Sandwith is with his Bethwaite grandfather

There is this infant death  but no death for Margaret up to 1891

Deaths March qtr 1891 
 
Robert Dempster Bethwaite     0    Whitehaven    10b   441

His birth reg

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XYN-1VM

You need to buy a copy of Jane's birth cert to see if she was illegitimate (unless Margaret's age is way out in 1881)
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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 September 15 21:12 BST (UK) »
yes, the birth certificate might clear it up. looks like this branch of the tree is going to be expensive. had to buy marriage and birth certificates for most of them.
Smith, Elliott, Newbury/Newberry, Boswell, Rutherford, Gray, Mobbs, Heron/Hearn

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Re: Jane Dempster, cant find in 1871 census
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 September 15 21:15 BST (UK) »
I think this is them in 1891 indexed as Beathwaite - but William Bethwaite is alive.  However - Jane married as Dempster so if she was illegitimate she has probably used her step fathers christian name but Dempster as his "surname" and shown him as deceased.   All children b Sandwith

Address looks like 12 South Ross Kells??

William Beathwaite   53 coal miner b Whitehaven
Margaret     39 b Wigtonshire
Mary     11
John     9
Isabella  8
William P  6
Sarah J  5
RG12 Piece 4315 Folio 70 Page 31
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