DANIEL BOWLER 1837-1915

[steve62]

Just been checking on an old site "www.01246540243 talktalk.net, which is a site with the generations of the Bowler family against what I have.

Quandry:-
Have Daniel Bowler married to a Elizabeth Joynt 1845-1905, married in 1868 Notts.

This above site gives him married to a Elizabeth Burgoyne in 1861 Notts.  Checked and it is the 2nd. qtr.  No other info as to her Birth or Death or their children.  This marriage seems correct as the site gives his mother and father and therefore Joynt is wrong.
 Problem being in the census the wife is Elizabeth, but am not sure if it is the right one not knowing E Burgoynes Birth.
Ancestry would be good, but my Bank/Visa here in Italy refuse to make payments to them.

Any help appreciated.

Steve

[forte]

On the 1851 cen for Mansfield Woodhouse there is Samuel Burgoyne with dau Elizabeth unmarried and g/dau Ann b 1849 all Mansfield Woodhouse.
On the 1861 cen for Mansfield Woodhouse there is an Elizabeth Burgoyne unmarried with her daughter Ann aged 12 (b abt 1849) and a lodger but  I can't find Elizabeth Burgoyne  on 1871 nor can I find a death. This census was taken in on 7/8 April. It gives her birth as 1823 Mansfield Woodhouse.
The marriage in 1861 2nd qtr(11th June) took place in Mansfield district so this could well be her whereas the marriage to Elizabeth Joynt took place in Nottingham.
A Mansfield marriage would seem more likely as they both were from there.

If you look at 1871 cen in Clipstone there is a Daniel Bowler with wife Elizabeth b abt 1823 and a grandson Samuel Burgoyne. It gives all of them a birthplace of Mansfield Woodhouse.  Daniel is an Ag Lab and  also on 1881 cen  b abt 1816

There is also a birth of Elizabeth Burgoyne 1822 Mansfield Woodhouse.

Do you know any more about Daniel, occupation, DOB which might give you a clue as to whether this is the correct couple?
A marriage cert for them would give father's names.
Hope this helps.

[larkspur]

Would your Daniel Bowler be the asylum attendant, or the labourer?

Marriage Mansfield Woodhouse
11-6-1861 Daniel Bowler & Elizabeth Burgoyne

Elizabeth Joynt on the 1861 census was born in Belfast.
On the 1871 census she and her Daniel Bowler are in Basford. Daniel is a gardener.
1901 He is a grocer , shopkeeper wife still born in Ireland, three children Joseph, Annie & Daniel.
I think you may have 2 Daniel and Elizabeth Bowlers....
On the 1871 Danl Bowler is an attendant in the lunatic hospital, The Coppice, Nottingham. There are several children baptised to him and his Elizabeth.

[steve62]

forte and larspur,
Had a private message that points to Joynt.  I am now confused given your replies, grateful for your time, as to which Elizabeth it is.
The info I have, going against what is written on the site (Elizabeth Burgoyne) :-
Daniel Bowler 1837-1915 and Elizabeth Joynt 1845-1905 married 1868
Edward 1868-1928, Richard 1871-1863, Joseph 1875-1943, Sarah Ann 1878-1856, Daniel  1879-1959.
1871 - 123 East Place, Basford - Gardener
1881 - 249 Mansfield Road, Basford -  Elizabeth Shopkeeper (no Daniel) but ......
1881 - Lunatic Hospital, Coppice New Road, St. Mary, Notts - Daniel Attendant
1891 - 249 Mansfield Road, Basford - Elizabeth Shopkeeper (No Daniel)
1901 - 1 East Place, Basford - Grocer own Business.

What is confusing the change of address 1871 & 1901  and 1881 & 1891.
What I was wondering if Elizabeth Burgoyne married Daniel in 1861 an she subsequently died and he married Elizabeth Joynt in 1868.
Baffled

Steve

[CaroleW]

Hi

The only real way to solve the mystery is to buy a copy of one of their childrens birth certs which will give Elizabeth's maiden name

[willsy]

Have to agree with CaroleW, did have a quick look

1891 Daniel is still an attendant

RG12/2700/89/1

and there is a notice or two in the papers when he dies mentioning that he worked at the asylum

The children are all baptised at St John The Evangelist Carrington and occ as Warder Asylum

Parents Daniel and Elizabeth

Edward, Richard, Joseph, Sarah Annie...2 Dec 1877
Daniel birth 20 Jul 1879 bap 4 Feb 1880  Occ Warder

[steve62]

CaroleW & Willsy,
Thank you for your time and the info.
Will order BC of one of the children.  Also will order the MC of Daniel and Elizabeth Burgoyne to see who the fathers' were and if there is an address.

Steve

[nottsgirl1]

Hi,

I can check the marriages for you at Nottingham archives save you buying the certificates.
There are 3 marriages for the name Daniel Bowler:
one to Elizabeth Barks at Mansfield on 17 July 1840
one to Elizabeth Burgoyne at Mansfield on 11 June 1861
one to Elizabeth Joynt at St Marys Nottingham on 20 Feb 1868.

Maybe Friday or next week.

NG

[larkspur]

Maybe they were not sure where Daniel was on census. At home or at the asylum, so he was down on both?? Just a theory. His age is out though
1871 D B aged 33  RG10/3517/9 p 12
1871 D B aged 55  RG10/3487/ 14 p 22, with wife Elizabeth aged 26 born Belfast.