Timothy Rogers c1589

[petey22]

dear all
I found the following link at Movaco.com. I had nothing on Timothy exept that he was baptised at Stratford le Bow 30-3-1589, parents ; Vincent Rogers and Dorcas Young. I had him as being preacher at Steeple 1621, Curate at Chappel 1623 and vicar of all Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk, 1636 and had no marriage or children but now I am looking for 3 marriages and 9 offspring 

(1) Timothy, vicar of Great Tey, Fssei, 1603, and of All
 Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk, 1636 ; A.B. Emmanuel Coll.,
 Camb., 1607, A.M. 1611 ; hp. at Stratford 30 March, 1589 ;
 bd. at Great Ter s6 Oct, 1655 ; describes himself of Chap-
 pell, Essex, in his will dated 10 Nor., 1654, pd. Dec., 1665 ;
 by his xst wife (name unknown) he had 3 sons and a dan.
 (of whom Samuel was vicar of Great Tey 1637-48, mar.
 and bad issue) ; by his and wife, Jane, bd. at All Saints',
 Sodbury, 13 July, 1639, be had 3 sons and a dan. (the eldest
 son, Zachary, was vicar of Great Tey 1661, until his death,
 July, 17x4 ; he mar. and left issue) ; his 3rd wife, Rachel, was
 od. at Great Tey 99 Nov., 1667.
 ( W11H1, of whom presently.
 Ruth, bp. at Stretford 93 July, 1587 ; m. (lie. dat. 30
“ 1606) to Ffcands Hewitsoo, of Stratford-lo-Bow, Mid-M Rutf April, zi

URL ; http://www.mocavo.com/The-Royal-Lineage-of-Our-Noble-and-Gentle-Families-Together-With-Their-Paternal-Ancestry/143295/96

first marriage to (unknown) 3 sons and 1 daughter where one of the sons is a Samuel who becomes vicar at great Tey, second marriage to  a Jane (unknown) and again 3 sons and 1 daughter, one of the sons who also becomes vicar of Great Tey 1661 until his death,but this seems to be a point of confusion as I also have Zachary Togers being the son of Timothy's brother Nehemiah  but this was also an extract from a book written over 100 years ago, so I guess he could be a son of either Timothy or Nehemiah and only a pParish record entry for birth or Baptism will be the answer  and finaly a 3rd marriage to a Rachel ( I believ a Rachel Revel, marriage showing up in 1640 Suffolk ( Boyds Index) ( thanks to Claire in the Worcestershire index)
I am not so sure as to the Ruth Rogers c1587 mentioned at the end, a sister to Timothy ?
So I guess I am looking for 3 marriages, the deaths of 2 Mrs Rogers's and the births of 9 Rogers kids,,,,, I would be very thankful for any help with this,,,
all the best
Pete 

[petey22]

I found this on SEAX,,,,,  kinda wondering if it is the same will as on Ancestry 
Question ; What is a Saymaker ?

 http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Result_Details.aspx?DocID=884409

It is also interesting as it mentions "lately of St Peter, Sudbury, Suffolk"

Pete

[..claire..]

Hi

As far as I can see the will on Ancestry has a date of 6 December 1655 and starts " I Timothy Rogers of Shappell Essex Clerk... "

The one dated 1663 I think is of someone else. I can't find any reference to a 'sayworker' but there is a SAY WEAVER ~ one who made Say, material used for table cloths or bedding

claire

[..claire..]

Just been trying to read the Will dated 1655 and he does mention giving his wife Rachel " ? ? of her life in my house in Sudbury "

Wonder if he had a son Timothy ?

Children mentioned in the Will

Zachary
Dorcas SKYMER ( husband is Richard)
Lydia.

claire

[petey22]

thanks Claire, really interesting, I will sign up to SEAX and download and study it tomorrow,,,,

I found death of Timothy Rogers 13 October 1655, looks like Stifford, Essex I assume Stratford ?

"Timothy Rogers, bom and bapt. at Stratford Bow, 1589. Vicar of Great Tey,
 1623, and buried there 26 Oct. 1655. (See Chester's L ife o f Rogers.)
 4 Obadiah Bradshaw. He was Curate of Stifford, Essex, and buried there 13 Oct.
 1618. (Palin's Stifford.)"
http://www.mocavo.com/A-Register-of-the-Scholars-Admitted-Into-Merchant-Taylors-School-From-a-D-1562-to-1874-Volume-1/190529/63


thinking further,,,,, a Say Weaver,,,, that has really got me thinking,,,, as my Timothy Rogers c1690 who marries a Susannah Whitlock at Sudbury Suffolk, has many children and all become involved with the silk weaving industry in Sudbury in some way with many further generations following on in the same tradition,,,, this has suddenly become VERY interesting indeed !!!!
again  thanks Claire, this could become the needle in the haystack I have been searching for, for many years 

[petey22]

also interesting, ,,,

(1. 2. 89. 3) Timothy Rogers, MA. Stipple engraving by [James?] Hopwood, after [Henry William] Pickersgill, undated. 16 x 11 cm.
Portrait of Timothy Rogers (1589-1650?).
1/2-length portrait. Identification uncertain.
http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~hou01782

still trying to find the image

[..claire..]

Hi

Have been searching for anything about Timothy, but been sidetracked by Rev. Nathaniel Rogers (~ I think you may have discounted this line as not being related). I think his grandson ( or Gt Grandson) John Rogers married into a family that appear in my tree, the Whipples.

My relative married a Mary Whipple, who had a brother William who signed the Declaration of Independance.

A couple of links

https://archive.org/stream/historyofipswich00felt#page/218/mode/2up

and this

http://genweb.whipple.org/d0578/I3323.html

claire

[petey22]

hi Claire,
Wife Rachel,Zachary and Dorcas fit with the names I have,,,,,,, Richard Symer, unusual name,,, Lydia must be the missing daughter, I tried reading the will too which just gave me a headache, I'll have another go and hope to find the names of the remaining 4 sons.
Yes I have seen rev. Nathaniel but what with 3 following other lines, I have left him on the reserves bench for later.

Been thinking about the the 1663 will while at work, its so curious that the seax reference mentions " Will of Timothy Rogers of Great Tey, sayworker, lately of St Peter, Sudbury, Suffolk" just too many coincidences,,, Great Tey and Sudbury  , no idea how it fits together in what I have so far but think I just need to get hold of it and see who, what and where 



darn ; Not Available: Use digital image(s)
so I guess I gotta  contact ERO reprographics dept giving the SEAX reference 

[suffolk*sue]

Richard Skinner married Dorcas Rogers in Gt Tey, 4th December, 1645

Gt Tey
Timothy Rogers bap. 3rd June 1625 to Timothy and Jane.
Lydia bap 27th November, 1627.
Zacharie bap 4th September, 1629.
John bap 15th May 1633
Nehemiah bap 17th July 1636


Rachel Rogers buried 29th November, 1667 (widow)