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Andrew Whittaker(s)
« on: Thursday 15 October 15 12:48 BST (UK) »
I have been doing some research on Family Search and an Andrew Whittaker(s) has popped up born about 1630.  There was no indication as to where he lived.  He was married in about 1655 to an Eleanor Gittins.  Does anyone know where they may have lived.  I have seen other Whittakers on the site - are there any connections?

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 October 15 20:26 BST (UK) »
there's a burial of Andrew Whittakers 23 May 1695 in Llanllugan and a baptism 22 Nov 1621 of Andrew Whitaker son of John also in Llanllugan

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanllugan

There's a gap in the parish records between 1633 & 1670, and BTs only for 1663 & 1668.

The only records I can see on FamilySearch for Andrew Whitaker are submitted ones which may have no basis in fact. This probably explains why the dates say about & no parish name is given.  There are no records on that site for him that have been extracted from parish registers. The extracted ones start in 1793.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 October 15 21:06 BST (UK) »
http://archive.org/stream/montycollections09powyuoft/montycollections09powyuoft_djvu.txt

OF LLA.NIDLOES.

268 PAROCHIAL ACCOUNT

and was in all probability the first native who actively
propagated and fostered the views of the Welsh Metho-
dists in Llanidloes. In those days the Tyddyn appears
to have been the central station of the locality, and
there is preserved in the Trefecca meetings an account
of a meeting held there August 22nd, 1745, when the
Rev. Daniel Rowlands, William Williams, and Mr.
Howel Harris were present as the leaders of the move-
ment ; Benjamin Thomas, William Richards, James
Williams, and Richard Tibbot, as superintendents ;
William Evans, John Williams, Evan Jenkins, Evan
Morgan, Benjamin Rowland, Thomas Meredith, David
John, Thomas Jones, Evan Dafydd, Andrew Whitaker,
and Reinallt Cleaton, as exhorters. The office of ex-


behind, with provision for a school-room to be erected at a future
time. The first space is enclosed by a handsome boundary wall
surmounted by ornamental railings, with gates to match. Pro-
vision has been made for heating the chapel with one of
Whitaker's patent apparatus, and every attention has been paid
to the gaslights and windows, the latter being filled with obscure
sheet-glass relieved by a considerable display of painted glass."


Whittakers are an ancient family, originally from Lancashire.
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 October 15 09:41 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the info on Andrew Whittakers, Llanllugan seems likely as place of residence for him.  That fits in with other family. 


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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 October 15 19:55 BST (UK) »
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AAndrew~%20%2Bsurname%3AWhittaker~%20%2Bbirth_place%3AMontgomeryshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1620-1680~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3AEleanor~

Andrew Whittakers
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
burial:   23 April 1734   Llanllugan, Montgomeryshire, Wales   
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 October 15 20:03 BST (UK) »
http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_XD3651_B_4_2_2_5_1_14/

Date: 8 Mar 1720
Finding Aids: Former ref: 3651/269
Description: 1) Valentine Hughes of Vrongreen in the parish of Llanllygan, gent.
2) Morgan Humphreys of Greebin in the parish of Treveglwys, gent.
To lead to a Recovery of the manor or lordship of Llanllugan alias Llanlligan, with the rectory or parsonage of the same; capital messuage of Vrongreen (Evan Robert); messuages of Oliver Parry; John Evan; Rowland Richard; messuage and mill of Velinucha (Edward Lewis); messuages of Humffrey David; Edward Richard; Evan Evans; lands of Thomas Brees; messuages of Thomas Baynes; William Thomas; Andrew Whittakers; Ann Rowlands; John Whittakers; John Thomas; Elinor Evans, widow; Morris Thomas; John Evan Owen; Thomas Watkin; Thomas Jones; Evan John ab Prees; Evan Hugh; Arthur Evans's widow; messuage called Glan-yr-Afon (Richard Thomas Robert); James Thomas and Edward Woodings lands (Watkin Lowarch); messuage of David Evan; Ty-yn-y-Rhos (Richard Davies); Byorth Gerrig (Evan David William); Crignant (Richard Crowther); Havod Lom (Richard John Morris); messuage of Evan William, all in the parish of Llanllygan. Messuage and lands in possession of John Edward "fuller" in Hydan in the parish of Castle-Caer-Eynion; messuage called Redhall (Richard Woosnam); Pellan-yr-Argay (Phillip Phifian); messuage and fulling mill of John Evans; messuage of Richard Whittakers; all in the township of Treganoll in the parish of Llanwethellan; messuage of Evan Richard; messuage of Richard Woosnam; lands of John Burgwynne; of Humphrey David Edward; messuage of David Evan; messuage called Llyest y Voyle (Rees Edward); all in the township of Dwy Reiw [Dwyriw] in the parish of Mananvon; messuage called Trefeen (John Pryce); messuage of Morris Thomas; messuage called Cross House (William Roberts); messuage of Arthur Jones; all in the parish of Kerry; messuage of Brymlace in the parish of Llanvaire (Gwillim Lloyd).
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 October 15 20:07 BST (UK) »
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1238716/llgc-id:1239453/llgc-id:1239694/getText

Llanllugan
1692, Apr. 16. Ricus fil Andrei Whittaker Junior bap.
Elnor ux' Andrei Whittakers senior sep'ta fuit 26° Jan. '90.

Lots of Whittakers, click on the arrow to turn the pages.
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont. Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley Prichard
Battersea Young
Brechin Allan,Barrie,Duthie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Thomson,Valentine,Watt
Chelsea Coates,Smith
Emneth Bennington
Wisbech Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 July 17 11:48 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone
I'm very new to this genealogy business, so please forgive me if I'm asking the wrong thing in the wrong place!
Using Ancestery.com and FindMyPast I've traced my family tree back seven generations to a David Andrew born 1716 in Llanllugan, Montgomeryshire, who married Jane Woosnam in 1745. They had a son, Thomas (b.1754), who in turn had a son David (b.1786).
The trail seems to end with the first David Andrew (1716).
It has been suggested that the Andrew family is actually the Whittaker(s) family and that an Andrew Whittaker's son David became known as David Andrew: the Welsh tradition of patronymic surnames.
Can anyone substantiate this and help me find David Andrew's forebears? Was there perhaps a "hybrid" born a Whittaker, buried as an Andrew?
Any assistance/advice gratefully received!

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Re: Andrew Whittaker(s)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 July 17 14:09 BST (UK) »
welcome to Rootschat!  ;D

The marriages and later baptisms that you mention were in Tregynon. I've checked the baptisms there from around 1716 and there doesn't seem to be any sign of names being recorded in the patronymic way. FindMyPast has an index of the BTs for Llanllugan, again no sign of any patronymics. The David baptised is 1716 was the son of John Whittaker, so if patronymics were in use in this area at the time, he would have been David John.

Will of David Andrew from 1780

https://viewer.library.wales/923989#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=292%2C-1703%2C2327%2C6844

It's possible that David was baptised in a neighbouring parish where the records aren't online or even haven't survived. Do you have a copy of the licence for his marriage to Jane Woosnam? It can be obtained from the National Library of Wales and may have useful info. The NLW have the date for it as 14 Sept 1746.

https://www.llgc.org.uk/en/services/reproduction-and-reuse/requesting-copies/

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb