Please Help Me find on the 1861 Census!

[gazza1966]

Hi There,

Please help me find the widow and the three daughters on the 1861 Census and i've looked and looked and nothing, i have them on the 1851 Census, this is them:

                               1851 Census - Landport

William Hayes (Head) 31 Durley
Betsy Hayes (Wife) 29 Durley
Elizabeth Hayes (Daughter) 4 Landport
Emily Hayes (Daughter) 3 Landport
Matilda Hayes (Daughter) 11Mo Landport

William Hayes died 1860 a year before the 1861.
Betsy remarried in 1863 to John Hale Webb.

Kind Regards
     Gary

[chempat]

Have you evidence that the 3 daughters are all still alive in 1861?

[groom]

Is John Hale Webb on his own in 1861?

I can't find them even by just searching using their first names and dates of births.

[chempat]

This looks like the 1871 for reference and extra useful information:
1871
   Isle Of Wight    Ryde
John Hall Webb    34   Southampton   (Added: looks like 34)
Betsey Hall Webb    48  Southampton
William Hayes    16  Portsmouth stepson
Albert Hayes    14   Portsmouth stepson
RG10     Piece 1167      Folio 10     Page 13

[chempat]

If this is Albert's birth, was she already living with John Hall/Hale Webb in 1861?

Births September quarter  1856 
 Albert Hall Hayes      Portsea    2b   369

[chempat]

Do you know if this is William's birth, or were you not aware of the sons as you did not mention that they would be around in 1861?

Births December quarter  1854 
William John Thomas Hayes         Portsea    2b   365

[chempat]

? Betsy on 1881 with Eliza Hall:
1881
living in Ryde
Eliza Hall    87  widowed  Leckford, Hampshire
Betsy Webb    58  married  needlewoman  Durleigh
RG11       Piece  1180        Folio  40     Page 23

[LizzieL]

Was Betsy's maiden name Hall.?

There is a marriage in Droxford district in 1842 for William Hayes the only possible bride with Betsy as forename is Betsy Hall. So the child with Hall as middle name would be given mother's maiden name which is quite common.

[gazza1966]

Hi chempat, groom and LizzieL

Thankyou for answers.

groom its very strange i tried finding them also with first names and dates of birth, i'm wondering the 1861 Census isn't complete.

chempat i did lookup the deaths for the 3 daughters from 1851 to 1861, and no matches at all, sorry i didn't mention the 1871 Census with Betsey Hall Webb and her two sons William and Albert, with her 2nd husband, Even the sons William and Albert can't be found on the 1861 Census, very strange.

LizzieL yes your right Betsey Hall married in 1842 Durley to William Hayes, i'm helping a friend with his Hayes ancestry, and he's just ordered this marriage record that were speaking about, and he'll soon find out the father of his William Hayes.

Thankyou to you all.

Regards
  Gary