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Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« on: Sunday 27 December 15 05:22 GMT (UK) »
Rootschatters have helped me previously to try to break down a West brick wall.
That concerned Edwin Peter WEST, and the RootsChat threads can be found here…..
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=277767.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=249499.msg1376192#msg1376192
It is still not solved.

I’ve kept searching on and off, and talking to a grandson of Edwin Peter West. The grandson informs me that Edwin Peter had a brother called Lancelot Douglas West who worked for the South Australian railways. The only other new thing to be found is from a newspaper article about Edwin Peter’s death, in which it states his mother and brother were at Edwin’s funeral, and his brother was the Station master at Alberton. The talk goes that there was a falling out at some stage and the two families had nothing to do with each other. Whether this was before Edwin Peter died or afterwards, I do not know.

Brickwall #1 is Lancelot Douglas West. I can find no record of such a person in Australia, let alone South Australia.

However, I have found a Lancelot De Arcy West, (Dearcy/Darcy) who was born 11th April 1893 to Frederick De Arcy West and Frances Chandler in Adelaide. There is a lot of information regarding Lancelot De Arcy West’s connection with the South Australian Railways to be found in Trove Newspapers, including a number of photos, and hopefully I have someone who will check South Australian State Records to see if any information that will help exists in their records. An interesting thing I’ve noted is that his mother was Mrs F West, as was Edwin Peter’s mother. I’ve been wondering if the limited family information about a Lancelot Douglas West is actually about Lancelot De Arcy West.

Incidentally there was another child, Frank Herchell West born to Frederick De Arcy West and Frances Chandler in 1888 who died in 1891.

Now I come to Brickwall #2 who is Frederick De Arcy West. I can find no earlier or later record of him anywhere, and to complicate the puzzle, Lancelot De Arcy West gives his father as William West at marriage., and on his death record in Victoria his father is given as William Henry West.

Brickwall #3 is Frances West nee Chandler. I may have found her death in South Australia in 1930. On the index entry there is a Frances West who died then, with husband William Henry Augustus Theodore West.
The newspaper death notice for Frances is no help at all.

And that brings me to William Henry (Augustus Theodore) West, Brickwall #4.

If anyone needs a holiday challenge, and can find any snippet about any of the above, no matter how small, I’ll be really happy to add it to my file.


Dee…..feeling the frustration!     ::)   :-\   :)
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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 December 15 06:44 GMT (UK) »
The grandson informs me that Edwin Peter had a brother called Lancelot Douglas West who worked for the South Australian railways.

Dee…..feeling the frustration!     ::)   :-\   :)

Have you asked him where he got that name from? 

Debra  :D

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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 December 15 07:07 GMT (UK) »
His family talked about the uncle on occasion.  His knowledge is quite limited.
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Watts (Somerset, Wiltshire) Selway, Churchill, & Chappell (Somerset)
Redwood (Devon, Essex) Button, Archer, Leach (Cambridgeshire)

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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 December 15 19:24 GMT (UK) »
There is a death of a Frederick WEST at Wellington NSW in 1895. Although I can find no other Referance as in Birth, Marriage although parents of the above who are listed as Catherine and Carl.

Carl passed away in MOREE NSW 1935 ref # 14173/1935. Catherine I am unsure of her death as there are quite a few listed none in same geographic area.

Could be a red herring but the death in Moree makes me a little interested. ???

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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 December 15 20:55 GMT (UK) »
To be honest....

Too many threads to jump backwards/forwards with & a continuation on one of the others would have been a better idea as it would still bring the topic to the fore on the "Home" Index.

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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 December 15 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Dee I who were the witnesses at the Edwin's marriage? 

I think the main problem with the information about his place of birth was that at the time of his marriage and enlistment, the information would have been given verbally.  The attestation papers were not completed by the enlistee.

I see you have tagged a number of items on TROVE and wondered if you had found this one as well.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article109356544
Alawoona, residents received a shock, on learning of the tragic death, at the Paruna quarry of Mr. E. West, who was well known in this district. Sympathy is freely expressed for Mrs. West and her family in their sad bereavement.

And the one which mentions his widow and chn living at Paruna.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article109356587

It suggests to me that Edwin, his wife and three children were in the area for some time before his death as the building of the railway progressed from Alawoona to Paruna, a distance of 21 kms.

The new bit of info about a brother Lancelot, station master at the Alberton railway station is a positive piece of news.

Lancelot passed his Railway Clerk exam in 1919.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article164123759

and progressed in 1929 to
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article53460409

I wonder what Railway records are held at State Records?

Dee I realise I mentioned it previously however I wonder if Mrs F WEST whose address on the attestation papers was Osborn Terrace, Fullerton Estate, Glen Osmond actually lived in Osmond Terrace, Fullarton which runs off Glen Osmond Road, Fullarton between Fisher and Wattle Streets. If her shop was in Glen Osmond Road she may have lived on the corner.

There are many advertisement along the lines of the following

Mrs F WEST, Storekeeper, Glen Osmond Road, Fullarton Estate.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article80040030
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5445711

I often think of you as I drive past the little cemetery in a paddock at Paruna - actually on the old Loxton Road. 

Cheers  ;D
Cando



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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 December 15 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dee,

Great summary in your opening post. 

I will get cracking on any sightings up around Inverell (NSW) 1890s in my offline NSW resources.  I remember doing over my Bourke and Western (Land) Division without much luck.

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Re: Four WEST “Brick Walls”
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 December 15 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your input.    :)

I thought I'd throw this one on the board as it is so quiet at the moment.     ;)

Cando, I have seen many items on Trove that I have yet to tag, as I like to have time to correct them before I do so. The Alawoona one I had not seen. The family were living in the Paruna district at least by 1923  when Edwin's son (now deceased) was born.

I have copied out the fact sheet from the S A State Archives about the Railway records available, and am going to send a copy to the grandson in the hope that he will follow it up and let me know any results.

I have seen no mention of Lancelot D West as a stationmaster at Alberton on Trove, though Lancelot De Arcy West lived at Woodville (suburb adjoining Alberton and in the Port Adelaide district) and it is mentioned in the papers that he worked in the Port Adelaide district. He also ran for the Legislative Council in S A as an Independent. Would there be any records of that at State Archives I wonder? He is also mentioned as being Chairman of the Woodville High School Council.

There's also the death of a Frederick West in Warialda in 1910.   No parents named.  :-\

Inverell Genealogical and Historical Society have not been able to help.   :(

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 December 15 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Might be 'nothing' but the NAA index actually displays his place of birth as TIMBERCREEK NSW ....

WEST Edwin Peter, Service No. 9526  Place of Birth - Timbercreek NSW,   :)  :)   

So I have just read through the NAA's digitised record and I cannot see mention of Timbercreek NSW in the file ......... but I will see if I can find 'this' NSW Timbercreek  :)

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