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Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:22 GMT (UK) »
I’d be most grateful for some expert advice from forum users with knowledge of mid 19th century Irish legal matters. Just recently I’ve received invaluable help in deciphering some papers relating to an ancestor’s will. My ancestor, Henry Page, died in London in 1851, and probate was granted on his estate by the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. However, he had Irish assets, and Probate was obtained two years after his death in an Irish ecclesiastical court (most probably, I suppose, the Prerogative Court of Armagh, operating in Dublin). The papers give a date when the Irish court granted probate –– 12 February 1853.

First question – would my ancestor have needed to make a separate will to gain Irish probate, or would his will have been forwarded after its proof in England?

Second question – I realise that many records were destroyed by fire in 1922, but is there a straightforward way to determine whether any details survive of my ancestor’s will as it relates to his assets in Ireland?

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. In these newly deciphered papers is a note which reads in part: ‘Irish inventory / Balance due on judgement against Marquis of Headfort’ followed by a figure which could be 1300 or 1500. I realise that the court proceedings between my ancestor and the Marquis may have been conducted either in Ireland or in England (presumably in a Court of Chancery). If the matter came to an Irish court, I’d like to know how to go about finding the relevant record, which may tell me what connected Henry Page and the Marquis of Headfort.

For any help, advice, etc in an area of research quite new to me, I will indeed be most grateful

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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:29 GMT (UK) »
Sometimes it takes years from Death to probate being carried out... and for many many reason.

You are asking... "How long is a piece of string?"  Each Probate is an individual thing!!
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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:35 GMT (UK) »
With respect, I'm not asking why Irish probate was not granted until two years after death. I asked whether a separate will had to be produced for the Irish Prerogatory Court. I'm experienced enough to be aware that the probate process can take much longer than two years.

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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:37 GMT (UK) »
Wasn't being disrespectful!!  No separate Will is needed!!
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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:39 GMT (UK) »
"... is there a straightforward way to determine whether any details survive of my ancestor’s will as it relates to his assets in Ireland?"


Yes!
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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:46 GMT (UK) »
"... is there a straightforward way to determine whether any details survive of my ancestor’s will as it relates to his assets in Ireland?"


Yes!

The Law Journal Reports contain the likes of this... you should be able to find similar for your dates.
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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that - I've added it to my notes.

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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 January 16 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Is there a Surname?
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Re: Irish probate circa 1853 / Irish court records – Help requested
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 January 16 21:19 GMT (UK) »
My ancestor was Henry PAGE - Irish probate granted 12 Feb 1853