Charles PERRY

[sft456]

Hi
We would be grateful for some help as to the parents, dob and occupation of Charles PERRY

He m Elisabeth Ann CRADDY 21.7.1883 at St Paul, Bedminster, Somerset (his father was also Charles)
Among their children were:
Charles George
Lavetta
Ethel May
Elisabeth
Catherine
and possinly Annie
any others?

He may have d 1909 Llanelli (aged 55) (Elisabeth A is a widow by 1911) however the only b date found (assuning he was b there is Mar qtr 1856 Neath - Glamorgan? (Neath11a 437) but he would been 53 at d?

I think E A d possibly 1935 Bristol (aged 82)

Thanks

Jane

[rosie99]

1901 census to give us an idea of ages and places of birth 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BS-NVZ
Charles Perry   44   Ivis Meadow, Glamorganshire - Occupation Potter
Elizabeth A Perry   45   Pill, Somersetshire
Charles G Perry   17   Bristol, Somersetshire
Lavetta Perry      14   Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Ethel Perry      12   Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Lizzie Perry      10   Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Catherine Perry   7   Llanelly, Carmarthenshire

1891 has Charles age as 36 occupation Potter in Pottery born Yncomadas(?) Glamorganshire

[Kay99]

1881??  Living at 10, Argyle Street, Bedminster, Somerset

Wm    Watkins     35    Currier    Ross, Herefordshire,
Elizth    Watkins 37 Ross, Herefordshire,
Wm    Watkins     7    1874    Scholar
Chas Perry  Single 24    Potter    Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

[suzard]

Possibly?

Baptism
Llangwig Glamorgan
Charles Perry
baptised 18 May 1858
parents Charles & Catherine

1871
12 Harris Yard Bristol Gloucester
Charles Perry head M 41 Potter Bath somerset
Catherine wife 40 Llanelly Carmarthan
Thomas son 17 Potter Llandutee? Glamorgan
Charles son 15 scholar  ditto
William son 12 Potter    ditto
Annie daughter 10 scholar Bristol
James son 7 scholar Swansea
Alfred son 3 swansea
RG10 2521 23 5

Suz

[Kay99]

In 1861 the same family living at Church Lane, Temple, Bristol, Gloucestershire    Childrens birth transcribed as Cornwall but looks more like Innis Meadow??

Charles Perry   31 Potter    Bristol, Gloucestershire
Catherine    Perry 30    Lamesley, Carmathanshire
Thomas Perry  8 Cornwall
Charles Perry  6 Cornwall   
William Perry 3     Cornwall    
Ann    Perry 0 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

[sft456]

Thanks all for the information

His wife might be nee Griffiths m Mar qtr 1853 (Neath etc) (some way from her place of b in Lamesley - isn't that near Gateshead!) if the marriage were in the same place as the birth of Thomas b @1853. But no b for him in that location on BMD. Difficult when the Census differ as to where Thomas, Charles & William were b Wales or Cornwall. Even Charles snr is unsure of his place of b!

Unfortunately the bap of Charles Jnr - 1858 is a few years away from his actual b (assuming this is he). Is it possible to corroborate this bap with that of one of his siblings? It would appear from his bap that Wales rather than Cornwall is where he was b......on the other hand....They certainly moved around

Jane

[Kay99]

The transcription of the children's birthplaces as Cornwall in 1861 is not correct - extract showing birthplace attached with mothers birthplace at the top and children's below

At the baptism for Charles Perry in 1858 in Llangwig Glamorgan his father Charles is listed as a potter and the family are living at Ynysmnder???  No birth date is listed

There is a possible baptism of  sibling Thomas Parry?  on 14 April 1854 at Llanguick(Llangiwg?) Parish with parents listed as Charles and Catherine.   Charles is a potter and the family are living at Craig Ynysmnder???

I wonder whether Charles birthplace as listed in various census years and the bapt might be Ynysmeudwy as shown on this map  http://maps.nls.uk/view/102342418#zoom=4&lat=6367&lon=13836&layers=BT

There was a  pottery there  between 1845-1877
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1225327/llgc-id:1225434/llgc-id:1225444/getText

[sft456]

Thank you Kay99, apologies for the delay

Your suggestion as to Ynysmeudwy as the birthplace of Charles on the 1901 C (rather than Ivis Meadow) and Llandutee as the birthplace of Thomas, Charles & William on the 1861 C may be correct. It would appear that Ynysmeudwy Rd and Llangiwg (church) are @1.1 miles apart according to the map of the area with Swansea @14 miles away (his b record on the 1881 C) and Llanelli 20 miles (his mother's place of b and those of his children Lavetta, Ethel, Elizabeth and Catherine and possibly Annie)

Oddly if the 3 boys were b at Ynysmeudwy/Llangiwg (Neath) then Charles would appear to be the only b recorded (assuming Mar qtr 1856 is his - though his age varies between 1854-6. I will have to take a risk and purchase this B cert. If this is correct then we may have to look for another date of d to = his age of d at 55, though 1909 Llanelli still looks promising. Perhaps Thomas & George bs were not recorded, though if Charles & Catherine were m and the family were living in Ynysmeudwy/Llangiwg in 1858, they were likely to have been b there

I suspect that the English? recorder on the 1861 & 1871 Census wrote what he heard. Perhaps the 1901 is just difficult to read. I suppose the correct place of birth (& spelling) would be found on the Birth Certs? His mother's place of b was probably Llanelli which sounds like Lamesley. Unfortunately we haven't found her m record (to obtain her maiden name) so will probably have to purchase this. Possible family record in 1841 in Henllan Amgoed, Carmarthenshire
Evan Griffiths    M 50-54 Carmarthenshire
 Phebe Griffiths    F 35-39 
  Catherine Griffiths   F 10 Carmarthenshire
 Mary Griffiths    F 9 Carmarthenshire
 John Griffiths    M 7 Carmarthenshire
 David Griffiths    M 6 Carmarthenshire
 Elizabeth Griffiths    F 3 Carmarthenshire
 Amy David    F 20-24 
 Ann Evan    F 15-19

Could you tell me where you found the bap records of Thomas and Charles?

[Kay99]

Good luck with the birth cert - The baptism for Charles and Thomas are both from FindMyPast  -The marriage record for Charles and Catherine is unfortunately not on the site

I wonder if Thomas is listed as Thomas Perrey in March Qtr 1854 Neath 11a 388 and is possible that William was listed as Charles William Perry???   Sept Qtr 1858 Neath 11a 439