Emma Webland

[AustraliaJack]

hi guys the person im interested in getting info on is Emma Webland she has no known date , place of birth or death and said to be married in new norcia wa

her husband is robert mead son of henry mead and dorothy lang ? of guildford wa b1845 d aug 1923
her son robert j mead 1880 d nov 1953 Mandurah
her son william mead b 1876
her son fredrick mead b unknown died dec 1931
i have seen some where that she was

it would be good to know as fredrick mead seems to identify himself as aboriginal

[Neil Todd]

Robert MEAD married Elizabeth BALDWIN at Fremantle WA 1873. They had nine (9) children.

Eliza 1871, Anne 1874, William 1876, John 1878, Robert 1880, Aubrey 1883, Emoline 1885, Sydney 1888 and Florey 1893.

All were born around the Serpentine area.

There are no births registered under MEAD for Emma WEBLAND on the Pioneers Website?
SEE: http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/

Emma WEBLAND has no mention on the Index

Neil

[rosball]

Robert Mead's death notice in 1923
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article44762587 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22620269
says his wife was Elizabeth.

regards
  Ros

adding : there is no mention of a son Frederick

[Dundee]

Deaths of Robert and Elizabeth:

1923
MEAD, Robert
Male
Perth
#1012    

MEAD — On August 27, 1923, at the Perth Hospital, Robert Mead, late of Jarrahdale, the beloved husband of Elizabeth Mead, oldest son of the late Henry Mead, of Beenup, and fond father of Mrs. W. Miller, Mrs. R. Tonkin, Mrs. C. Facey. and Messrs. George, Henry, James, and Walter Mead, aged 78  years.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22620269

1934
MEAD, Elizabeth
Female
Jarrahdale
#9

MEAD - On August 6, at Jarrahdale, Mrs. Robert Mead, widow of the late Robert Mead,   loving mother of Eliza (Mrs. Tonkin), Annie (Mrs. W. Millar), W. G. Mead, Harry, Jim, A. W. Mead, and Emiline (Mrs. Pace); aged 83 years. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32953749

It seems you have the wrong family for Frederick.

You may have seen these articles:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/83700061
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32403189 (I think his age here should be 55, not 75)

His attestation papers - he was discharged after 3 months.

http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/8006466/7

Debra 

       

[wivenhoe]

Possibly your Fred MEAD.........aboriginal?
South Western Times 11 Dec 1923
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/210758956?

WW1 file...he gives age 40 years which I think is a bit creative....widower, three children, NOK Mrs Ada JACOBS daughter
Quairading.

WA BDM marriage
RANDFORD  Alice M  m.  MEAD  Frederick C D    Gingin  7  1923 

[Dundee]

You would need to establish a reliable age for Frederick. 

"...who was said to be the only surviving member of the late Lord Forrest's party that explored north of the Eastern Goldfields..."

John FORREST was exploring in the early 1870s, so if this statement is true then Frederick was probably born much earlier than is stated on the other documents,  however it is equally possible that the age of '75' was written to corroborate the story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forrest

Where does the name Emma WEBLAND come from?

Debra 

[AustraliaJack]

PAYNE Alice b.(c)1878 (at M.R.N.S 1923 for her marriage No 492) marr 1st Ranford, chd Reginald (see RANFORD) marr 2nd Fred Mead, 3rd Yerang Moses (see MEAD & MOSES)

MEAD Frederick (Caranet b.(c)1865, (Whitby Mundijong WA)  d.19.12.1931 (Collie) (at M.R.N.S 25.8.1923 No 486) son of Robert Mead and Emma Webland (dec'd after  1899)
marr 1st (New Norcia) 13.8.1899 Sarah (Clara) (Wawaran) Martin b.(c)1864 (Guildford) d.6.2.1912 ( Hospital For The Insane Claremont) (bur R./C.Karrakatta) (of Canning/Guildford) dtr of Henry Martin and Sarah Woolnenan (dec'd prior to 1899) chd; Ada b.1882, Minnie b.(c)1883, Eugenie b.(c)1888, ) marr 2nd 26.9.1923 Alice Payne b.(c)1878 (at M.R.N.S 15.12.1923 No 492) (Alice Mead nee Payne marr 2nd Yerand Moses)( He was working on the pipe line 265 miles near Bronti 22.1.1901. He was asking about his children who were in Swan Native and Half Caste Mission). He was at Wandering in 1904 when he complained about white men serving his mother with liquor. He was at Kalgoorlie in 1906 when he applied for a railway pass and in 1922 applied for an exemption from the Aborigines Act. His children were in the Swan Native and Half Caste Mission in 1901) (Fred stated that Annie Lambagee nee Newell was his cousin. Fred's mother was an American half caste. Fred was in the Boer War and Great War. He was receiving a War Pension of 1 pound per week in 1930. He visited India with Racehorses and rode there for WA. He was also involved in the SA Forrest Expedition

[Neil Todd]

The closest name to WEBLAND on the WA index is WEBLEY! Could this be the name?

Neil

[AustraliaJack]

apprently the researchers here found that emma webland aboriginal names is found on page 5 of this link from daisy bates

https://digital.library.adelaide.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/2440/83671/2/Section%20III%2c%204k.pdf