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James Geddes / Mary Sim
« on: Sunday 17 July 05 20:34 BST (UK) »
Hi

I am trying to find the pareantage of James Geddes my gt gt gt grandfather. Who ever put our Geddes tree on familysearch luckily only got his parents and birth date wrong. I have been in contact with 2 people who can verify without doubt that Alexander Geddes and Isobel Nobel were not his parents ( unless of course there was another couple with the same names but i haven't found them !). I have tried contacting the lady who now lives in Utah but to no avail.
It says he was born 26th Sept 1792 Fordyce Banff. Untrue, the 1841 census doesn't give birth place but puts his age at 40 (b/y 1801). The 1851 says Fordyce the age is hard to see as there is a ink smudge over it but it could be 69 or 56. By the time of the 1861 census he has died.
I have thrown a lot of money at scotlandspeople trying to find out about his death hoping it would have included his parents and wife but if it was before a certain date it wont give me that. I haven't found many people doing this line on the web and I'm hoping one of you are !

But James Geddes DID marry Mary Sim  15th March 1828 in Fordyce Banff. They had nine children all of whom i have information for. My line from them is Ann Geddes b 1844 then her daughter Lily Townlie Gray Geddes b 1883

Waiting in vain !

Tracey

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 15:48 BST (UK) »
Try this web site. It may help you. There are refs to the surname Geddes. Good luck


http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 15:51 BST (UK) »
Been in touch with Graeme at Moray many times !!

But thanks anyway.

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi

I am trying to find the pareantage of James Geddes my gt gt gt grandfather. Who ever put our Geddes tree on familysearch luckily only got his parents and birth date wrong. I have been in contact with 2 people who can verify without doubt that Alexander Geddes and Isobel Nobel were not his parents ( unless of course there was another couple with the same names but i haven't found them !). I have tried contacting the lady who now lives in Utah but to no avail.
It says he was born 26th Sept 1792 Fordyce Banff. Untrue, the 1841 census doesn't give birth place but puts his age at 40 (b/y 1801). The 1851 says Fordyce the age is hard to see as there is a ink smudge over it but it could be 69 or 56. By the time of the 1861 census he has died.
I have thrown a lot of money at scotlandspeople trying to find out about his death hoping it would have included his parents and wife but if it was before a certain date it wont give me that. I haven't found many people doing this line on the web and I'm hoping one of you are !

But James Geddes DID marry Mary Sim  15th March 1828 in Fordyce Banff. They had nine children all of whom i have information for. My line from them is Ann Geddes b 1844 then her daughter Lily Townlie Gray Geddes b 1883

Waiting in vain !

Tracey


Tracey

In the 1841 census only ages of adults over the age of 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so someone reported as 40 could have been aged between 40 and 45, so born sometime 1795 to 1801; equally, someone who was really 48, say, but gave their age as 45 would also be shown as 40 ......

In this case the 1851 reported age of 56 would result in a year of birth of 1794/95 ..........

Remember that the OPR info on scotlandspeople and available via IGI represents the records of the Established Church of Scotland that have survived to the present day, and by no means everyone was a member of the "Auld Kirk", as the Established Church of Scotland is often known.

The Auld Kirk records were supposed to include info on all parishioners, but it is rare to find records relating to dissenters and non-conformists.

Have a look at http://edina.ac.uk/statacc/ for the Old Statistical Account which will most likely list any dissenting churches in Fordyce and other surrounding parishes, - and be aware that is was not unknown for people to travel a few miles to a church of their choosing, and that might be across a parish boundary.

If there are such dissenting churches, then contact National Archives of Scotland (or look at their on-line catalogue, but note that this is still not complete) and/or contact the nearest library to ask their advice in terms of extant records for dissenting congregations ........

1792 is a potentially problematic year due to an 1783 Act which put a tax of 3d on every registration (repealed in 1794). This discouraged many people from making an OPR birth (baptism) or marriage (banns) registration, and there were even some ministers who refused to maintain their OPRs during this period as they regarded this Act and tax as an unacceptable intrusion into the affairs of the Kirk.

ibi


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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 17:01 BST (UK) »
been there done that too !!!!!!!!!!!!  :-\
Old Meldrum Local studies have helped enormously and Judith there gave me the Edina site to look at.

 

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 17:08 BST (UK) »
been there done that too !!!!!!!!!!!!  :-\
Old Meldrum Local studies have helped enormously and Judith there gave me the Edina site to look at.

And ??  :o

Any dissenting congregations ?  ???

ibi

PS see edits since my first post..............

PPS Contact details, please, for Old Meldrum Local Studies

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 17:16 BST (UK) »
The only thing i can think of is to find his wife Mary,s grave and hope that they could have been buried together and that they have an inscribed headstone. Old Meldrum do have some old obits on microfiche which she said would take a long time to go through and research time would be expensive and as i live in Essex its not possible at the moment for me to go look myself otherwise i would be there like a shot. I have mailed Moray again (poor Graeme !)

Tracey

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 17:38 BST (UK) »
The only thing i can think of is to find his wife Mary,s grave and hope that they could have been buried together and that they have an inscribed headstone. Old Meldrum do have some old obits on microfiche which she said would take a long time to go through and research time would be expensive and as i live in Essex its not possible at the moment for me to go look myself otherwise i would be there like a shot. I have mailed Moray again (poor Graeme !)

Tracey

MIs are indeed an option to be explored.

The largest collection in Scotland, published and unpublished, is held by the Scottish Genealogy Society (SGS) library in Edinburgh, but, not that long a distance from your location, the Society of Genealogists library in London has a collection of published, Scottish MIs not far behind that of SGS ............

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Re: James Geddes / Mary Sim
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 July 05 17:42 BST (UK) »
The SOG Is that the one near Smithfield meat market  ?