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Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« on: Tuesday 08 March 16 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Ann HOCKING was baptised 24 Jul 1814 Welcombe Devon abode Hardsworthy, Parish Of Hartland Father William a tanner and Mary
There is a marriage 31 Jul 1803 in Welcombe of a William Hockridge and Mary Hockridge.
So far so good but who were William and Mary Hockridge and what other children did they have?
I have found a Thomas 1806, Mary 1809, and Willliam 1811 in Kilkampton Cornwall before Ann's baptism were these her siblings?
It has been suggested that Mary was originally from Morwenstow and William from Kilkampton
But I am having difficulties following these ideas through Can anyone help please/



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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 20:52 GMT (UK) »


"It has been suggested that Mary was originally from Morwenstow and William from Kilkampton
But I am having difficulties following these ideas through Can anyone help please"

Respectfully, you have experience of your tree info, we have not.
"It has been suggested" ?  Come on, tell us what you have IN DETAIL.
Do you wish us to repeat (all of) your research? From square #1???





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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 March 16 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Fact
William JEFFERY m Ann HOCKRIDGE 26 Mar 1842 Welcombe
She was 27 her father was William a tanner there were two Hockridge witnesses Joseph who signed and Mary Ann who made a mark
Fact
Ann HOCKRIDGE was baptised 24 Jul 1814 Welcombe father William a tanner and Mary of Hardsworthy, Parish Of Hartland
Fact a William Hockridge married a Mary Hockridge in Welcombe in 1803 could these be Ann's parents ? no children have been found baptised in Welcombe to them
BUT
Fact
Thomas Hockridge 1806,  Mary Hockridge 1809 and William Hockridge 1811 were baptised in Kilkampton all to parent William and Mary  These from the Cornwall OPC site no occupation of father given could these be Ann's siblings?
Fact
a Mary HOCKRIDGE was bap25 Feb 1785in Kilkhampton to Richard and Jude.
Is this Ann's mother?

question can anyone help to identify William and Mary HOCKRIDGE or find evidence that the three kilkhampton children are part of Ann's family?

I would be grateful for any help with this as I want to get the true facts.
There are several trees on An..ry and independent trees on line all with different suggestions.
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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 March 16 14:08 GMT (UK) »
There are two other couples having children in Welcombe about the same time ,again address Hartland.
Joseph and Grace and John and Rebecca Hockridge.

Joseph Hockridge of Welcombe (b c 1781)and Grace Harwood  married at Kilkhampton 25.8.1804
John ,husbandman  and Rebecca Crocker at Bradworthy 8.4.1806 wit Thomas Hockeridge and John Wade.
The only early baptism before 1805  I can see at Welcombe is Thomas s of Thomas and Damaras in 23.4.1789
They married at Morwenstow Cornwall 20.10.1781 ,her name Damaris Burrow
He seems to be buried at Clovelly 14.6.1823 age 70.Damaris 30.1.1836 age 77
Joseph and Grace also at All Saints Clovelly 1778-4.8.1847 and 1782-27.1.1830
Thomas 1790-14.1.1879 of Eastacott.
Other children for Thomas and Damaras-Mary 25.7.1785 ,Damaras 16.4.1787 at Morwenstow.

This seems to suggest that Joseph is Mary's brother and they are both children  of Thomas and Damaras

Just a thought

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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 March 16 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Looking at William and assuming the Kilkhampton connection
William 3.4.1781   And John 4.9.1785 sons  of William and Mary Hockridge looks good.

It can't be William born 1775 and 1785 because of matching censuses ,marriages and burials and it would explain the two men arriving at Welcombe together.
Burial for William at Kilhampton 1781-15.3.1823 from Churchtown

It isn't proof but I can see where they got the ideas from

ps there is also a Thomas 1.3.1818 s of William and Mary labourer at Hartland Devon.

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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 March 16 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Plenty of food for thought there thank you Cider Its such a shame thomas and Damaris don't appear to have all their children baptisedand the relevant marriages are before father's names were given on the registers, But who said FH is easy its these mysteries that make it interesting. May thanks for your hard work on the problem  :)
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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 March 16 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi
 Just a little more to add.
 It turns out the John of John and Rebecca can't be William and Mary's son as he is buried 9.9.1785 at Kilhampton.
However it looks like Thomas Hockridge was married before to a Mary Trick at Moren. 4.11.1777
He is from Kilkhampton and she from M.
witnesses John Trick and John Hockridge.
Their son  John was baptised at Kilkhampton 3.5.1778 so it does look like all the Hockridges at Welcombe are Thomas ,Mary and Damaras's children.

Also William and Mary senior married at Hartland which may explain why their son moved back.
William Hockridge of kilkhampton married Mary Trick of Hartland 20.9.1778.

It's possible that William and Thomas were brothers both sons of John and Honour Hockridge yeoman baptised at Kilkhampton 15.2.1745 and 18.7.1750.
It would tie up nicely.
Then William and Mary would be first cousins.

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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 March 16 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Ah now this is looking good a Richard Hockridge m Judith TRICK 28 Feb 1778 in Morwenstow he of kilkampton she otp witnessed by a John Hockridge now they had 6 children in Kilkhampton one being Mary 1785 I wondered if she was William's bride, and that the kilkhampton connrction was through her I wonder if this Richard was William's brother and did they marry Trick sisters? umm the plot thinkens I need to get pencil and paper out with all your findings and the bits I have to see if we do join the dots up
Can't thank you enough for your interest its a great help having another set of eyes on it  :)
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Re: Hockridge Devon/Cornwall Borderland
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 March 16 18:05 GMT (UK) »
It dpes ;look like brothers married sisters but Thomas and Mary seem to have two children baptised in Kilkhapton John in 1778 and William in 1785 if this is correct there must be two Thomas Hockridges as one married Darmaris in 1781 before the birth of William unless of course he was a late baptiemcould that ex[lain why it took thomas and Damaris to 1787 to have a child baptised.
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