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William Curtis and Alice Jones
« on: Sunday 03 April 16 14:11 BST (UK) »
Hello

I  have a William Curtis born about 1781 in Glamorgan and an Alice Jones born about 1769 in Glamorgan and died 1 Nov 1845.  Trying to find out who there parents are and their marriage date but have come to a full stop.
Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 April 16 14:27 BST (UK) »
So Alice was 12yrs older than William?

If you have been unable to find a marriage - how do you know her surname was Jones?  What other information do you have that is not included here?

Given the age gap - could it have been a second marriage for Alice so was Jones her birth surname or her previous married name?
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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 April 16 14:55 BST (UK) »
Hi would I be correct that this is Alice in 1841 Census :-

William Curtis 60
Alice 72
Watkin Jones 35
Residing Neath. Glamorganshire
Census ref HO107/1421/10/6/4
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:08 BST (UK) »
Thank you Keyboard86 that is the only info I have regarding the parents but these are definitely the ones I'm looking for but I just can't get any further back regarding their parents.

As you can see CaroleW the age difference is shown on the info given here by Keyboard86 that Alice is older than William. 


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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:11 BST (UK) »
As the 1841 does not show relationships - how have you determined that Alice was nee Jones?

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:16 BST (UK) »
We had some info sent to us a few years ago that clearly states that Alice's surname was Jones and Watkin was her son but as I said before I can't get any further back.

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:22 BST (UK) »
I'd be doubtful as to their being related as on the form there is a single line between Alice Curtis and Watkin Jones, which can delineate between two households at the same address or separate family and non related persons at an address, e.g. servants

If yuo look at 1851 you;ll see that William Curtis was actually born in Llanddeusant, Carmarthenshire

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:36 BST (UK) »
I did see the 1851 for William but since the birth date was different, the 1841 said he was born in Glamorgan and we don't have Margaret Curtis and William Griffiths on our tree, I don't think this is my William. 
As I said before Mabel Bagshawe, we had some info sent to us that says that Watkin was the son of Alice.

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Re: William Curtis and Alice Jones
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 April 16 15:46 BST (UK) »
With a surname like Jones – I’m sure you appreciate the problems in determining the right family.  There is nothing in your post to support  that Watkin Jones was related to Alice or that Jones was her maiden name.  The 1841 entry does not support it either.

What confirmatory info were you sent that Watkin was her son?

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