George White 1787, mariner from Hastings

[sw1]

Am doing research for a friend. I know that the purchase of certificates will confirm or deny any deductions I make, but I hesitate to ask to do that until I am really pushed. Is anyone connected or researching George WHITE b 1787 Hastings. (Hastings records seem few and far between!) I am getting a muddle and it may be a case of not seeing the wood from the trees!

The connection is his daughter, Emily b 1828 Hastings who married Thomas Daniel DULY in 1856. The FreeBMD entry showed Emily WHITE or Emily ELDRIDGE. The males on the page were Thomas Daniel Duly and Stephen Edward Marshall. I researched all possibilities on censuses for these couples and deduced Thomas married Emily WHITE. 1856/2 Hastings 2b/32.

George WHITE married Ann White 2 Mar 1813. M148073 & Film: 1067173
George was a widower by 1855, and until his death in 1876, throughout the censuses he was always shown as a mariner.  George and Ann seemingly had 9 children, all born Hastings:
George 1813
Ann 1816
Alfred 1821
Harriet 1823
Benjamin 1825
Emily 1828
William 1830
Ellen 1832
Eliza 1837.

Alfred, a museum attendant in South Kensington Museum, married a Mary Ann. Can’t pinpoint that marriage, but might have been abt 1848. She was born in Taplow, Bucks. In 1851 Alfred was a married footman in Silchester, Hants and Mary Ann, married, was on her own in Chelsea with 2 children and her unmarried sister-in-law Harriet age 27 (born 1823 above).
In 1881, Alfred, a widower had a niece with him, Edith Kennard age 18.
Then I found a marriage Daniel Kennard to Harriet White in 1848.
So why was Harriet marked as unmarried in 1851? So I wonder if this is the right marriage and then leading back whether I’ve got the right George White?

I think son William b 1830 married Louisa someone!
He was a coachpainter.

Daughter Ellen b 1832 married Charles Vine, an iron founder, in 1862 Hastings.
George White aged 83 and widower was living with daughter Ellen and Charles in 1871. RG10/1027/67/2

I also came across grandchildren to George – Ellen ASHLEY or ASHBY and Ann ASHLEY or ASHBY, both aged 5 in 1851. HO107/1635/400/10
There was also a Charles ASHBY aged 10 with George in 1861. RG9/561/206/68

And finally, George’s probate details said…Probate. Lewes. 25 Nov 1876. Administration of the effects of George White, late of 2 Saxton Place, New Brompton, Kent, shipwright and widower who died 24 Apr 1876 at 2 Saxton Place was granted at Principal Registry under the usual limitations to John White of Park Street, Pembroke Dock County of Pembroke, shipwright, the uncle and guardian of Alfred White, John William White and Harry White, minors and sons and only next-of-kin.
Why was he noted as a shipwright and not a mariner as in all previous censuses?

Some of these things just don’t smell right!! You know… that uneasy feeling something’s wrong?
Is anyone connected with this lot? I’d really appreciate some thoughts, views on this. Thank you.
Suzie

[mazi]

The 1871 has a George White with sons Alfred, John W, and Harry, living in Gillingham Kent,
Aged 45 and a shipwright, it is possible that it is his probate.

Mike


Edit: this George also says his birthplace is Pembroke

[sw1]

Mazi, thanks for your reply.

I think you're spot on that the probate I found belongs to this George above, not the one I am researching. The facts and names all fit, don't they. I can now discount that info I had and try to unravel some of the other stuff.

Many thanks indeed. I just knew something was not quite right.

Suzie

[artifis]

I have been researching the Whites of Hastings with two distant cousins and as part of that I put together all the male White marriages for Hastings and the surrounding area that I could find with the children they had baptised where identifiable.  Some children were not allocable to parents due to the records so these aren't included and some marriages weren't found for the stated parent(s) of other children.

We have a slightly different list of children to yours and I suspect that there was another George White having children baptised for the later child(ren) but I didn't check the censuses.

Baptism records for George's children list his occupation variously as fisherman/seaman/mariner

This is in Word format and if you'd like a copy send me a pm with your email address and I'll copy it to you.

Word of warning though, I can't guarantee its total accuracy as we've not checked the entries in parish records.

[sw1]

Artifis...Many thanks for your reply.
Yes please, I'd like to see a copy of what you have done; am sure it will help.
I agree, there seem to have been a lot of George Whites marrying Ann or Mary Ann. Most confusing.

Now got to work out how to send you a separate PM
Suzie

[sw1]

Have sent a message to your own email.
Hope you received it.
Suzie

[omega 1]

Hello

Don't know if you have the following info.

Baptised at St Clement`s, George White,26 Oct 1787,son of Thomas and Ann.

I also found a marriage.

Married,13 May 1856,at St Mary Magdalen,St Leonards on Sea

Thomas Danial Duly,21,Carpenter & Joiner Journeyman,address,2 Kensington Terrace,Tunbridge Wells,Kent

Emily White,26,17 Prospect Place,Hastings,Sussex

Hope this helps

omega

PS,Husband has White`s in his Tree

[sw1]

Omega,

No wonder you are classed as a RootsChat Aristocrat!
 
Thank you for your email. I had tracked down the baptism of George White and had it confirmed yesterday by someone else. But what I am most pleased about is the marriage you found! It confirms my deductions that Thomas' wife was Emily White! Bingo!

Is it possible for you to send me the source details? Is it available online? And is there, by any chance, a marriage register or certificate? That would be the icing on the cake.

Are your husband's Whites connected to this twig?

Many thanks again.
Suzie

[sillgen]

If the church register is not available online you can order the certificate via the GRO site.  Look on www.freebmd.org.uk and you will find the reference details.