Henry and Evelyn Taylor (siblings missing from 1901/1911 census)

[Thomo0903]

Hi

I am having problems in the fairly recent history of a branch of my family tree.

Henry Taylor married Emma Stubbs on the 11th December 1901 in Salford Registry Office. I have their marriage certificate and know they lived at 16 Tatton Street at this time. I found a record on Lancashire Online Parish Clerk which showed that they had already had a son, Henry, who was born in August 1900. There are then baptism records for a further two children, Minnie in 1904 and Frederick William in 1907. From family history I know that there was also an Evelyn, but I can find no baptism record for her, or no records linking an Evelyn to Henry and Emma.

Henry died in 1907 (at the age of 37), and Emma appears on the 1911 Census as a widow, alongside Minnie and Frederick, at 15 Robert Hall Street. The Census also records that she has 4 living children. However there is no sign of Henry or Evelyn anywhere.

Even stranger Henry Jr also doesn't show up on the 1901 Census. I can find his father and grandmother living at 16 Tatton Street, and his mother living/working as a domestic servant to the Norwell family nearby, but he isn't registered at either address.

On that date (31st March 1901) his parents wouldn't have been married, and I think there is a good chance Evelyn was born after her father's death, so I am wondering if they were both hidden from census takers due to being 'illegitimate'? Is that something that happened?

For info, Emma did remarry in 1915, but also gave birth to another daughter, Emma Taylor, in 1913, so whilst I am guessing Henry was Evelyn's father, there is a chance he wasn't.

Any advice on missing [illegitimate] children greatly appreciated.

[Thomo0903]

Sorry to reply to my own message, but i meant to say:

I have tried tracing all the grand-parents and aunts/uncles through to 1901 and 1911, but Henry and Evelyn don't appear to have been living with any of them.

I even managed to track down the witnesses to Henry and Emma's marriage, and they aren't there either!

[keyboard86]

Hi is not Henry possibly the Harry Stubbs aged 10 months born Salford shown as Nurse Child with a Charles W Stuart & Family in Salford
Census Ref RG13/3736/47/42
Keyboard86

[aghadowey]

From family history I know that there was also an Evelyn, but I can find no baptism record for her, or no records linking an Evelyn to Henry and Emma.
Do family stories ever mention the daughter Minnie? Sometimes family names and 'official' names don't seem similar but could be same person.

[Thomo0903]

Minnie is actually the one I am descended from (she was my Great-Grandmother). She died in the 60s, but her sisters lived longer, and my Grandma (Minnie's daughter in law) remembers them well. However I am not 100% on their ages, so at a best bet I would guess Evelyn was born between 1907 and 1911. Thanks though.

Hi is not Henry possibly the Harry Stubbs aged 10 months born Salford shown as Nurse Child with a Charles W Stuart & Family in Salford

You know, I feel very stupid now, but I never thought to look for him under Stubbs! He was baptised as Henry Taylor (details below), but I guess he would have legally been Henry Stubbs if his parents weren't married.

Wonderful, I will check it out now!

Baptism: 12 Aug 1900 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England Henry Taylor - [Child] of Harry Taylor & Emma Born: 19 Jul 1900 Abode: 16 Tatton Street Occupation: Milkman Baptised by: D. H. Pugh Register: Baptisms 1898 - 1900, Page 170, Entry 1358 Source: LDS Film 1786461

[aghadowey]

For info, Emma did remarry in 1915, but also gave birth to another daughter, Emma Taylor, in 1913, so whilst I am guessing Henry was Evelyn's father, there is a chance he wasn't.

Could Evelyn be the daughter of Emma's second husband?

I know of a family where the 'eldest' daughter was actually from father's previous first marriage but the children were never told and it was only years later when a relative let something slip that the whole story came out.

[Gibel]

There's this birth, she was born after the census so wouldn't show on it.

Evelyn Taylor
Salford Reg District
June Quarter
Volume 8 d
Page 147

[Jool]

If Evelyn was born after the 1911 census, then we still have a missing child.  Thomo states in his original post that the 1911 lists 4 children living which would be Henry, Minnie, Frederick & ?

[Annette7]

An Evelyn West (mmn Stubbs) birth Mar.1915 Prestwich (Emma Taylor didn't marry James West until 3/4/1915) so could this be the Evelyn referred to.

However, as already stated, this would still leave a 'missing' Taylor in 1911 if 4 children alive.

In view of the fact you've checked 1911 with regard to other family members possibly having a child of Emma's with them  I wonder - bearing in mind you say she had a daughter Emma in 1913 - if this could be a possibility: a John Taylor bc.1910 Salford is shown 'adopted' with a family named Waldon.   She could have had another child but being widowed could not support another mouth to feed and the child fostered out.   Possibility anyway.

Annette