Family Name Palmer/Neilson

[k1yak]

Good Evening I was wondering if someone can help.

I'm looking for the Palmer family in Ireland its a bit of a puzzle.

The three names are Samuel Palmer Born act 1872 in Ireland but not sure.
His father is called Samuel Palmer  I know he died before 1895.
Mother Margaret Jane Neilson.  She was in Coatbridge Scotland 1911.  (She maybe called Peggy Jane or Maggie Jane)  The only one I have found was one that was married to a John Lamont!!!!.
I can't find a link with them all apart from Samuel Palmer Jr's Marriage certificate in Coatbridge in 1895.
If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Thank You.
Gayle

[robo196]

there is a Samuel palmer death Armagh tyrone birth year 1798 died 1894 age 96 jan mar quarter
there are five samuels born around 1872 antrim Belfast Londonderry seapatrick newtownards

[k1yak]

I did see the Samuel Tyrone one I thought 72 was a little old to still be having children as on the marriage certificate it said he was a farmer.
I just don't get how I can't find margaret and Samuel together. 
Thanks Robo for your help.

[k1yak]

I managed to find margaret Janes death certificate.  And that says her husband was a John Palmer???  Her mother was called Mary Harvey.

[wivenhoe]

Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1895.

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate of Margaret Jane PALMER that you have found.

Census 1901  at 12 Quarry Row Coatbridge
PALMER Maggie Jane  50yrs  head of household b. Ireland seamstress       
PALMER John             20 yrs son                      b. Ireland Ammonia Works labourer

[Elwyn Soutter]

I can’t find a Palmer=Neilson marriage in Northern Ireland 1854 to 1874 on the GRONI site, nor can I find any children born to parents named Palmer & Neilson, 1864 to 1874.

Samuel Palmer is a common enough name and there are 6 or 7 marriages in the period 1854 to 1874 but all to women with different surnames. No John Palmer marriages though.

[isobelw]

The Samuel Palmer whose death is recorded in 1894 seems to have left a will. He died 26th Dec 1893 and was a farmer at Lislea, Armagh. He leaves everything to his wife's cousin Nenah Palmer who resides with him with the proviso that his wife Margaret 'may have enjoyment of the produce and profits thereof during her lifetime'. Nenah was the executrix and is described as a spinster. No sign of her in 1901 and there is a death recorded in Armagh in 1896 of a Nena Palmer age 23.
Isobel

[aghadowey]

It just doesn't all add up yet 

No suitable Samuel Palmer birth 1865-1878 in GRONI's database (covers all 6 N.I. counties)
No suitable marriage for a Samuel or John Palmer with wife Margaret in N.I.

So, a few questions which might help us find the family in Ireland...

1) what's listed for birthplaces of Samuel Palmer, his mother Margaret Jane and brother John? Often that census is the one which lists a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland'

2) I managed to find margaret Janes death certificate.  And that says her husband was a John Palmer???  Her mother was called Mary Harvey.
   Father's name? Margaret's age? who was the informant?

3) have you searched for the family in 1891 Scottish census?

4) numerous online family trees give Samuel's mother as Margaret Ann. They could be mistaken, copied from each other, etc. but have you tried contacting others interested in the family?

[Maggsie]

Hi,
I did an open search for Palmer and Neilson on 3 sites and got
Samuel Palmer born 1806 to William Palmer and Margaret Neilson in Scotland.
Mary 1809
John 1811.
Other were in the USA and 1993 to 2003 in Northumberland.
Is this the family?
Maggsie