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A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« on: Sunday 18 September 16 13:16 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have recently been looking into a branch of my family named Harms.  I have found them all living in Mile End Old Town, London, but interestingly, I found that the great grandfather was down on the 1861 census as having come from Germany.

His occupation was Sugar Refiner and after reading up about this type of work, discovered what a gruelling job it was.  How they worked in 130/140 degrees F and were given a gallon of beer a day, to keep from dying of dehyration!!  They also lived in the factory itself, incase of outbreak of fires, which due to the process of refining the sugar cane, was quite common. I noticed also, on the 1851 census for the Parish of St. George, Tower Hamlets, that there are hundreds of young men in their twenties, who all originate from Hanover in Germany. 

The relative I am looking into was Peter Frederick Harms, age 36, Sugar Refiner.  He is on the 1861 census with his 'wife' Mary Ann age 30(although they didn't actually marry until 1862), living at Lambeth Street, Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets.  He goes on in later censuses to drop the 'Peter' and become just Frederick.

I have found two possibles on the 1851 census, but am not sure if either of them are him.  I was wondering if anyone else has found relatives working as Sugar Refiners and how they went about tracing their German origins.

Any help appreciated.

Diana
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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 September 16 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi

Not sure if you have this, but it is a great website

http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 September 16 14:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you Claire, I will have a look.
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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:03 BST (UK) »
I have found my relative on the site you sent me, thanks Claire.  He was Peter Frederick Harms and I have found his marriage and the Baptism of their first child.  Also a possible date and shipping line for his arrival in England.  I will need to investigate a bit more.

Diana
Whitney:South Wales/West Knoyle,Wiltshire/Melbury Abbas,Dorset. 
Feltham: West Knoyle,Wiltshire/Melbury Abbas,Dorset.
Whitney: Surrey, Kent.


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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:06 BST (UK) »

Yes I'd spotted those records too and wondered if it was him :)

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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:12 BST (UK) »
Hi

Just checked the alien arrival records on Anc* and there is a record for a Peter Fredr. Harms sugar baker arriving 2 March 1846 (with 3 others men) native of : Hannoverians on board the Neptune arriving from the port of Hambro.

They held passports issued from Government.

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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
Not sure if you have this, but it is a great website
http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

claire

Thanks, Claire.

Diana, there's a possible timeline for Peter Frederick Harms or Harmes on my database ... Arrived London 1848 or 1851 or both; may have gone to NY for a year; then 1861 census, 1862 marriage, 1863 & 1869 bpts of children.

He would have been known generally by his second forename in his native Germany.

Am away from the computer for a few days but will help further on phone if I can.
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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:17 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Claire. 1846 is an earlier arrival. May be the same PFH each time or three different ones.  ;D
Almeroth, Germany (probably Hessen). Mawer, Softley, Johnson, Lancaster, Tatum, Bucknall (E.Yorks, Nfk, Lincs)

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Re: A Sugar Refiner in Tower Hamlets originating from Hanover, Germany
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 September 16 15:23 BST (UK) »

Yes, there seem to be quite a few 'Harms' arriving at various times, sugarbakers from Hannover.

I take it that is your website ? It is very good, I've often referred to it :)
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