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Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« on: Thursday 22 September 16 00:53 BST (UK) »
Some time ago I happened across a marriage for William Jones and Mary Ardern in Wilmslow on 8 April 1831. I have no idea where/who I got this marriage from. I would appreciate any help anyone is able to give with a reference for this marriage.

This couple were Non-conformist to the back teeth. Their first child: RUTH JONES was baptised in the Wilmslow Methodist Chapel and they were living in Morley.

William was baptised in Wilmslow but his family were living in Hough whereas the Arderns were at Deans Row.

The reason I need to check is that I found another marriage for William Jones and Mary Ardern in Manchester Cathederal on 13 Feb 1848 with all the correct details of father's name etc. This marriage took place after all their children were born.

It all seems a bit cloak and dagger with two mature people who lived in Brinnington travelling up to Manchester Cathedral to marry without anyone knowing, when they may have already been married.

The only solution I can come up with is that when William died in 1863, Mary became an annuitant. If the 1831 marriage record was theirs and had been destroyed or the church had been destroyed and they couldn't get a paper copy, if there was an insurance policy they may have needed proof of marriage for Mary to be beneficiary, so they hopped off to Manchester.

Interested in any comments, but would really like a check on the 1831 record.

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 September 16 10:01 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I had a look at Wilmslow, and there is no marriage for William Jones and Mary Ardern in 1831.

So it looks like the 1848 marriage was their one-and-only marriage.

The usual reason for marriage after the children was that one of them had been married before, and the marriage had broken up. Divorce was not an option in those days.
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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 September 16 09:48 BST (UK) »
Where are the family in 1841 and 1851 please?

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 September 16 11:12 BST (UK) »
The family are in Lacey Green, Pownall Fee (nr Wilmslow) Cheshire in 1841 and in Newbridge Lane Stockport (Portwood) in 1851 where they stayed in 1861 until William Jones died.

William Jones was the son of Thomas Jones and Esther Barlow and Mary Ardern is believed to have been the daughter of Robert Ardern who died in 1806.

William and Mary Jones had six children: Ruth, Enos, John, Harriet, Ann, Helena. Ruth died as an infant. There are parish records for Ruth, Enos and John's baptisms in the Wilmslow Wesleyan Methodist church but the three girls were all born after 1837 and the parish records do not extend that far. According to the first two baptisms for 1831 and 1834 the family were living in Morley near Wilmslow.

No prior marriage record that could be attributed to William or Mary had been found. Mary was an annuitant after William's death and I looked to see if he had a military record prior to marriage but he was born in 1807 and Ruth was born in 1831, so he was 24 when she was born. If he was not supposed to enlist until 18 this would have given him only 5 years service from 1825 to 1830. I could not find a conclusive military record for him.

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 September 16 16:08 BST (UK) »
There were 22 weddings at the Cathedral on that day.

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 September 16 07:55 BST (UK) »
Some time ago I happened across a marriage for William Jones and Mary Ardern in Wilmslow on 8 April 1831. I have no idea where/who I got this marriage from. I would appreciate any help anyone is able to give with a reference for this marriage.
Lynne, I've been really hesitant to post this but in view of nothing else becoming apparent could this be the marriage that was found and somehow got a bit muddled up?
There is a marriage for a William Jones 8 April 1831 at Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George to a Mary Johnson. You can see the image of the marriage on Ancestry Manchester marriages
Apart from the date, William's name and Mary's Christian name nothing else fits.
There was a licence issued which states that they are both 21 and upwards, that William is a carter and that Mary Johnson had had her usual abode for the space of 15 days  immediately preceding the issue of the licence.

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 September 16 20:36 BST (UK) »
Do you have the birth certificates of the children showing Mary's maiden name to be Ardern?

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 September 16 00:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks. I will check the 1831 Manchester marriage.

Yes, I do have Helena Jones' birth certificate showing her parents to be William Jones and Mary Ardern. I also have Helena's daughter, Mary Garlick, with Samuel Ardern, her uncle, in the 1861 census.

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Re: Wilmslow Parish - JONES & ARDERN
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 September 16 07:37 BST (UK) »
I'm just being nosy now  ::)
I can see Mary Garlick b1866 on the 1881 census with uncle Samuel Ardern.
Could you just tell me how Samuel Ardern fits into the family as Mary's uncle?
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