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Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:21 BST (UK) »
Bit of a puzzler ???
I have Conrad Meckel (Mackel) age 24 marrying Margaret Hoffman spinster age 18 daughter of Jacob Hoffman in September 1857 in Holy Trinty Sunderland.
No trace of either Conrad or Margaret in 1861 census. Can't find any death for Conrad.
In August 1866 Margaret Hoffman spinster age 26 daughter of Jacob marries Frederick Knaak in St Peters church Monkwearmouth.
I am sure it is the same Margaret as her brother was witness at the 1st marriage and her sister witness at the second. Can't find another Hoffman family in Sunderland.
Could the first marriage have been annulled? Maybe Conrad went back to Germany and left her?
Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:33 BST (UK) »
For tracing purposes - Margaret was born in Sunderland as per 1851 entry - parents Jacob and Elizabeth

What was Conrad's occupation on the marriage cert
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:39 BST (UK) »
Conrad was a glazier. Son of Ludwig. They were from Germany.

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:43 BST (UK) »
Did Conrad and Margaret have any children born before 1861?  These are from freebmd

Births Jun 1863 
KNAAK    Margaret Louisa        Sunderland    10a   520    
Births Jun 1867 
KNAAK    Frederick William        Sunderland    10a   555    
Births Dec 1870   
KNAAK    Mary Hannah        Sunderland    10a   563   
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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:00 BST (UK) »
1871 Scotland census
No 5 Shields Place
Frederick Knaak  36 Sailor  Prussia
 Margaret Knaak  29
 Alice Knaak  10 dau
 Louisa Knaak  8 dau
 Henrietta Knaak  6 dau
 Frederick Knaak  4 son
 Mary Knaak  5 months dau
 James Murray  39 boarder Rigger Edingburgh
 Ann Murray  30 boarder
 Jane Murray  4 boarder
Margaret and all children born England

Alice Henrietta Knaak birth registered Sunderland Sept 1/4 1861 vol 10a page 452

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:11 BST (UK) »
Birth
Margaret Meckel Sunderland March 1/4 1860 vol 10a page 446
Birth
Henry Conrad Meckel June 1/4 1862 Death Sept 1/4 1862 Sunderland
Also a birth for a Henry R Meckel in March 1/4 1866 Sunderland

Margaret can't be giving birth to Knaak children and Meckel children in this period?  :)

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:24 BST (UK) »
There is this family on the 1871 census
RG10 piece 5015 folio 5 page 9
16 Silver? Street Durham
Lewis Meckel  34 GLAZIER
 Agusta Meckel  29
 Robert Meckel  9
All born Germany, British subjects

They are in the 1881 Luis Mackel  44 and Augusta Mackel  40 no children.
They married in Durham Louis Mackel and Augusta Maria Sept 1/4 1869




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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:36 BST (UK) »
Searching using Mackel in Sunderland gives more birth registrations in 1860-1870

Louis Mackel's probate has his name as Luis Mackl otherwise Louis Mackal  so plenty of scope for variation of spelling in the search for Conrad.

As an aside there was also a birth reg for a Conrad Ludwig Mackel in Sunderland 1868

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Re: Mackel Hoffman Knaak in Sunderland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 22:24 BST (UK) »
From the  Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Monday 17 October 1892

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