What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?

[BushInn1746]

Hello

Thanks, got your reply Dave. Been looking at my original post with the 1812 and corresponding 1813 Knottingley Land Tax entries.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926

Occupiers
1812
James Knowles
John Cook

1813
Frances Crowder
Geo: Hood

1814
Jas Beaumont
John Grubb

My research into Fanny / Frances Crowder is attached.

When Joseph Crowder married Fanny Webb in 1777 at Pontefract
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake and Sarah Wood

The same Elizabeth Leake signature at the above Crowder = Webb marriage was at the 1791 Knottingley Marriage of:-
George Grubb = Ann Hood
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake ; John Gill ; Wm Dickinson

Also it seems one possible marriage for Elizabeth Crowder (daughter) might be James Beaumont.

I just felt it was interesting, although we don't know if George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, was George Hood of Selby, or why George Hood was there.

Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi Mark,

3 George Hood's

1 George hood  baptised 1st Oct 1786 father John Hood  Gateshead parish with no known after life or burial recorded and possible father John Hood Innkeeper 1787 Ship Inn Southshore Gateshead (Also possible brewer & working links to a cooper trade)

1 George Hood (Your George Hood) appear in Selby 1812 with no history (Only his wealth of early education and business knowledge is known over George's years in Selby post 1812)

1 George Hood in Knottingley 1813 with no known before or after life re 1813

The infrastructure of transport of needed materials and goods late 1700's was the canal waterways, inland river ports and sea ports, Selby, Knottingley, Snaith, Hull (River Trent south inland ports) Newcastle on Tyne, London, Liverpool/ Manchester and coastal ports etc.

Also possible father of your George a John Hood mariner and his daughter Maudland both origins of  Scarborough and later lived in Selby

To me these are fitting factor dates 1785 -1787 your George's estimated birth years , & adult 1812 (1813 ? Knottingley) to burial 1845 in Selby known adult years in Selby

Why George Hood of Knottingley could be your George Hood of Selby being there in Knottingley 1813 could be setting up the  business necessities infrastructure of his new cooper business 1812 Selby that had failed for the bankrupt former owner Richard Gibson   

[BushInn1746]

Thank you for the comments Dave, Claire and All.

Until another record shows up, I don't think I can progress this further.
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I have got a better image of the 1815 Selby Marriage signature Cookin or Cookis or Cookes or ?

The Stick of the i ?
This is formed from the top, then downward and then taken through itself before going to the next letter (rather than straight off the bottom of the downward stroke).

Last Characters
The last character at the end of the surname, looks a similar form to the separated last character on the forename.

Letter k Formed in Two Parts
I can see on what appears to be the k, the writer has stopped halfway through.

If it is a letter k it has been formed in two parts and I have even thought of the letters l (L) & h, but k seems nearest.

Marks and Smudges and Print Spray Dots?
The entry has a lot of printed marks and smudges.

The dot (if it were Cookin / Cockin / Cookis) doesn't seem to be a heavy dot, but a mark and also might be a similar colour ink to the printed bracket.

The same pages either side of this Register opening seem clean and bright paper, no imperfections.

Cookin ; Cookis ; Cookes ; Coolin

The Borthwick
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the entry for George Hood and Sarah Russell as found in the Selby parish marriage register, 1813-1837 (PR/SEL/17).

We've had a look at this parish register entry and it looks to both myself and a colleague that the name of the witness in question is James Cookin (or possibly Cockin). As the parish clerk would have asked for the witness' name (who they may not have known personally) they may have spelt it phonetically so it's possible that this is not how their surname may appear in other records. I also noted that the couple married by licence so I've had a look at the bond and allegation documents in the hope that this individual may be named there (possibly as one of the bondsmen) but regrettably this isn't the case (the bondsmen were George Hood and a Chester Newby).

Mark

B.T. at Reply #58

[BushInn1746]

Elizabeth Cook Hood
I have also discovered Elizabeth Cook Hood in my family, couldn't make her mind up over the spelling of Cook or Cooke.

She was also a witness to a Hood family Marriage in the "Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Selby" in 1873 (from Richard Taylor).

However, when she married in 1876 at Selby Abbey her signature looks like Cooke.
Present were Adeline Hood and William Rawlins or William Rawling

[BushInn1746]

Going back to 1815 at Selby, Yorkshire

This is the B.T. Copy attached here.

Added:
I believe the B.T., has been completed and signed by the same person, John Turner, who officiated at the Marriage?

Gives us Jane Cookin and Jane Cockin.

I have changed my earlier post and put the Borthwick reply in and here.
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Thank you for your enquiry concerning the entry for George Hood and Sarah Russell as found in the Selby parish marriage register, 1813-1837 (PR/SEL/17).

We've had a look at this parish register entry and it looks to both myself and a colleague that the name of the witness in question is James Cookin (or possibly Cockin). As the parish clerk would have asked for the witness' name (who they may not have known personally) they may have spelt it phonetically so it's possible that this is not how their surname may appear in other records. I also noted that the couple married by licence so I've had a look at the bond and allegation documents in the hope that this individual may be named there (possibly as one of the bondsmen) but regrettably this isn't the case (the bondsmen were George Hood and a Chester Newby).

[BushInn1746]

Back in Knottingley near Ferrybridge (and not far away from Pontefract) in March 1813 Geo HOOD and Frances CROWDER were occupying a property for one year.
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In March 1813, the Meetings of the Creditors are to begin in April at Ferrybridge, for the late firm of John Seaton, Sons and Thomas Foster of Selby, Bankrupts, heretofore carrying on a Trade as Bankers.


Later in July 1813 there was a Meeting in Pontefract and the Dividend of John Seaton, Sons, and Foster, would be paid by the Bank of Messrs Crowder, Perfect and Co. of Pontefract.

I've been enquiring after a list of Creditors owed money by the Bank and just discovered that some records do survive in Nottinghamshire Archives ... (besides the Chancery records at TNA, Kew)

Nottinghamshire Archives

Seaton & Co., Bank, Papers Relating to Failure 1810 - 1818
Cat. Reference:- CP 5/8/85-135

Mark

[BushInn1746]

Hello

Thanks, got your reply Dave. Been looking at my original post with the 1812 and corresponding 1813 Knottingley Land Tax entries.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926

Occupiers
1812
James Knowles
John Cook

1813
Frances Crowder
Geo: Hood

1814
Jas Beaumont
John Grubb

My research into Fanny / Frances Crowder is attached.

When Joseph Crowder married Fanny Webb in 1777 at Pontefract
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake and Sarah Wood

The same Elizabeth Leake signature at the above Crowder = Webb marriage was at the 1791 Knottingley Marriage of:-
George Grubb = Ann Hood
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake ; John Gill ; Wm Dickinson

Also it seems one possible marriage for Elizabeth Crowder (daughter) might be James Beaumont.

I just felt it was interesting, although we don't know if George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, was George Hood of Selby, or why George Hood was there.

Mark

Hello Dave and All

This is a possible Marriage for George Wilkinson (if he married?)

1782 Ferry Fryston, St Andrew, 14th October, by Banns
George Wilkinson of the Parish of Pontefract Bachelor and
Mary Osborn, Spinster of this Parish

Present as wits: Rich'd Isherwood ; Charles Isherwood ; Sarah Wood : Jno Whitteson [or Whitteron / Whittron ?]

Rich'd Isherwood, was one of the Churchwardens according to the B.T., on f m p


I chose this 1782 marriage, because a Sarah Wood and Elizabeth Leake, were present at the marriage in 1777, below ...

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1777, Pontefract St Giles & St Mary, 9th December, by Banns
Joseph Crowder, both of this Parish
Fanny Webb

Sarah Wood and Elizabeth Leake, were present as wits.

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Interestingly, on 20th August 1838, John Osborn was present at this Marriage at ...

Monk Fryston, York
Robert Hood, full, Bachelor, Waterman, Knottingley, Father, John Hood, Waterman. 
Ann Hirst, full, Spinster, has always been at home with her parents, Hillam, Father, Joseph Hirst, Labourer.

Present as wits: William Coulson ; Tabitha X Rockett ; John X Osborn

X mark of.

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There was another Marriage in 1815 of a George Wilkinson of Pontefract at Wragby, Yorkshire.

1815 Wragby, 25th May, By Licence
George Wilkinson of Pontefract [21 from Lic. transcription]
Elizabeth White of this Parish [Wragby] [21 from Lic. ]

Present as wits: Jane Thompson ; Tho's Clark ; Ja's White

Mark

[BushInn1746]

Hello

Thanks, got your reply Dave. Been looking at my original post with the 1812 and corresponding 1813 Knottingley Land Tax entries.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926

Occupiers
1812
James Knowles
John Cook

1813
Frances Crowder
Geo: Hood

1814
Jas Beaumont
John Grubb

My research into Fanny / Frances Crowder is attached.

When Joseph Crowder married Fanny Webb in 1777 at Pontefract
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake and Sarah Wood

The same Elizabeth Leake signature at the above Crowder = Webb marriage was at the 1791 Knottingley Marriage of:-
George Grubb = Ann Hood
In the Presence of:- Elizabeth Leake ; John Gill ; Wm Dickinson

Also it seems one possible marriage for Elizabeth Crowder (daughter) might be James Beaumont.

I just felt it was interesting, although we don't know if George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, was George Hood of Selby, or why George Hood was there.

Mark

I should also have looked at John Grubb who occupied the premises after Geo: Hood.

Although the Land Tax does not give the occupier's age, nor other family, nor Wife, if John Grubb (Occupier) was the chap, baptised Knottingley in 1792, then his Father was George GRUBB and his Mother was likely nee Ann HOOD.

Their 1791 Knottingley marriage:- George GRUBB = Ann HOOD, was mentioned in the quote.

I have sent for the 1840 Death Certificate of Ann Grubb (download not available), to see if anyone we know was present at her Death, I am not hopeful because that Hood family had quite a few family living local.

Ann Grubb, nee Anne Hood was the baptised 29th July 1762 at Knottingley St Botolph and the Daughter of John Hood.

1761, Pontefract, 12th October, by Banns,
John HOOD
Sarah THOMPSON, both of this Parish
In the Presence of:- John LEAK ; J. Loadsman

Jno Loadsman, signs the other three on that page.

Mark


ADDED: This might be John Grubb ...

1851 Pontefract, St Botolph
Address : Aire Street, Village of Knottingley
George Grubb, Head, Marr, 32, Labourer, Knottingley, Yorks.
Ann Grubb, Wife, Mar, 28, Knottingley, Yorks.
John Grubb, Visitor, U, 59, Mariner, Knottingley, Yorks.


1845 Knottingley
George GRUBB, Bachelor, Waterman, Knottingley, Father: John Grubb, Waterman.
Ann MOUNTEER, Spinster, Knottingley, Father: Thomas Mounteer, Farmer.
Wits: John Grubb his mark : Wm Whitehead.


Ann Grubb, 28, in 1851 was Ann Mounteer.


1820 Baptisms St Botolph Knottingley
30th July
Anne Monteer D. of Thomas & Amelia Monteer


1812 Knottingley 30th Nov'r, by Banns
Thomas MOUNTIER = Milly HARDY
Wits: William Greaves : Thos Gowthick


1791 Pontefract St Giles & St Mary
4th March, Mileah, daughter of Thomas Hardy, Knott:y (P)


In 1851 Darrington, Yorkshire
Amelia Mountier, Mother, Widow, 60, Ag Lab'r, born Knottingley, is with her Son, John Mountier and his family.