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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 30 October 16 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Frances Goddard
Joseph Stones
Marriage Date:    17 Feb 1806    Nottingham St Mary

[Edit: but note two other Frances Goddard marriages in the same parish in 1817 and 1820. No fathers listed for any]

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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 30 October 16 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Frances and Joseph Stone had a son in 1814 called Enoch

1812 08 14      Enoch    father Joseph   STONE   mother Frances            NOTTINGHAM St Mary   


In 1841, Frances is boarding in Radford; no sign of her husband, but there was a death for Jospeh Stone age 51 in the workhouse in Notts St Mary in 1831, so this could have been him.

There was also a marriage for Enoch Stone in 1833 in Radford.

But none of this answers the questions about which Enoch belonged to which Goddard family and when they died!!
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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 30 October 16 21:08 GMT (UK) »
 :) And also so far no baptism of an Enoch Joseph Goddard?
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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 30 October 16 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Nope. But he could have taken on the name Joseph "unofficially" after being baptised.

My suggestions based on FHS CD and suggestions above, and all following in Nots St Mary:

Enoch G and Rachel were having children in the 1720-30 and this included Enoch(2) b 1729 and John 1736.

Enoch (2) m Mary Pemberton in 1759; their children included Enoch (3) (b1762).

John m Sarah Lacey in 1756; their children included Enoch (4) (b 1763); they also had a son John who himself had a son Enoch b 1785 and died 1792 (5)

I can't separate Enoch 3 and 4, and either Enoch 3 or 4 could have been the one who died in 1834 aged 70.

One of them married Sarah Smith in 1784 -- no mention of any Enochs born to them. Sarah died in 1800 and I suspect the same Enoch m Mary Hough 6/12 later - no children.

The other married Hannah Coates in 1788 and their children included Enoch b 1790 (6). Enoch 6 m Charlotte Mayfield in 1813; their children included Enoch b 1816 (7).

Burials include 1802 and 1807, neither named as "child of" so we can presume they were adult.

So - Enoch 2 (b 1729) could have been one of these maybe 1802.
Enoch 3 OR Enoch 4 died age 70 (ish) in 1834. The other died in 1807 (as Enoch and Hannah had children bapt up to 1805).
Enoch 5 b 1785 and d 1798
Enoch 6 b1790 - we haven't found a death
Enoch 7 could be the Radford Enoch as we know now there was a Radford link with the Stone family - died in the 1880s.
(One more Enoch was b 1788ish and died 1790 (?first child of Enoch and Hannah).

So though I can't separate them all out exactly, that would account for all burials and only leave Enoch b 1790 unaccounted for. And he's the one that allegedly died on the same day as either Enoch 3 or 4 - his father or uncle (although the date of burial for the older Enoch is not the same on the CD as given on the tree that started all this!!)

Phew, I think I've done my bit, off to do the washing up now!!



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Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
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Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
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Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)


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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 30 October 16 22:01 GMT (UK) »
 ;D ;D You deserve it ( Not the washing up though)
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PS HI pixipick, how are these two Enoch's related to you?
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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 30 October 16 22:06 GMT (UK) »
Pixipick

Have you contacted the tree owner to find which records the double death info came from? 
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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 30 October 16 22:22 GMT (UK) »
We really should have looked at the simple stuff first  >:(

Births Sep 1839   (>99%)
Goddard    Enoch Joseph         Radford    15   598

Deaths Mar 1856   (>99%)
GODDARD    Enoch Joseph         Radford    7b   99

and there he is in radford with his parents in Enoch and Selina in 1841 (that would be Enoch 7, his father, who m Selina Astill). In 1851 he's still with the family but enumerated as Joseph.

Oh, and there's a Charlotte Goddard of an appropriate age to be the wife/widow of Enoch 6 - on her own with two children in 1841, widowed (and in Radford) in 1851 and 61, died 1866.

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Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
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Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #25 on: Monday 31 October 16 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Blimey, so many Enoch Goddards in my family. You have probably been looking at my tree on Ancestry Goddard/Pickard. Enoch Joseph Goddard was my 3rd great grandfather and Enoch Goddard my 4th. Im going to go over the data again and try and tie up all the information you good people have given me.

thank you  :)

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Re: Enoch Joseph Goddard and Enoch Goddard
« Reply #26 on: Monday 31 October 16 14:10 GMT (UK) »
"burials (St Mary's still)

1789 04 19   Enoch   GODDARD   Nottm.St.Marys    Son of Enoch   (NB I can't see a baptism for this child)"

In Reply Annie baptism
Name:   Enoch Goddard
Father:   Enoch Goddard
Mother:   Sarah Goddard
Baptism Date:   22 Jan 1789
Baptism Place:   Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Denomination:   Wesleyan
Piece Title:   Piece 2866: Nottingham, Halifax and Hockley Chapel (Wesleyan), 1787-1837
AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing.Wink. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley