Ledraham

[hencarrai]

Hello,
Can anyone clear this up please?
In 1891 John 33, a coal miner & Elizabeth 32 Williams are at Danncey’s Court Pontypool with their family of : John 22, Alice 7, Mary Jane 6, Ledraham ? (son)6, Lewis 3, Joseph 1.
RG12/4361/103/14

In 1901 they are at 17 Grove St, Newbridge. Ledraham seems to have become Sarah A and there’s a younger Sarah A.
John 44, Elizabeth 39, John 21, Alice 18, Sarah A 16 (daugh), Mary J 16, Lewis 14, Joseph 11,
Isaac 9, George 7, Sarah A 5, Elizabeth 1.
RG13/4967/83/15

I have them in 1911 at same address (Elizabeth is a widow) but I’m not sure if I’m allowed to give details? (Ledraham / Sarah Ann / now seems to be Zebra?
Thanks for any help.

[rosie99]

As original poster you can give details of the 1911.  You are not allowed to ask for them and we are not allowed to give them to you 

What was the maiden name of  Elizabeth

[rosie99]

If this is Lewis's birth reg
WILLIAMS, LEWIS       mmn  SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1887  March Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 136

There are these birth reg also with mmn Smith and sharing same reference

WILLIAMS, MARY  JANE     mmn SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1884  Sept Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 133   
WILLIAMS, SABOR  ANN     mmn SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1884  Sept Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 133

[MarMnkly]

The Monmouthshire baptisms for Trevethin has two baptisms next to each other for June 28th 1884:
Sybil Anne to John and Elizabeth Williams, labourer, abode Tranch
Mary to John and Elizabeth Williams, labourer, abode Tranch

Mar

[hencarrai]

Thanks Rosie and Mar,
1911 family is still at 17 Grove St.
Elizabeth is widow 51, John 31, ZEBRA 26, Lewis 23, Isaac 19, Henry 17, Sarah Ann 15, Lizzie 10, Elsie 8, Sevilla 5.

Looks like a toss up between Sybil Ann (fav) and Sabor Ann.
How on earth did the enumerators get Ledraham and Zebra from either of those? Their hearing must have been on a par with mine.

Rosie, I don't have mmn, but I guess you've probably answered that one.

Many thanks,
Rob

[rosie99]

Maybe it was not the enumerators hearing but the way that the name was spoken.  I wonder who completed the form in 1911, possibly one of the children who could write.  Forms would have been completed for the enumerator on earlier census too.

I wonder what happened to her after 1911