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Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

Can anyone solve an enigma for me please.  :-\

John Colobine BARNASCONI married Emma LEEK on 16/08/1863 in the Parish of Manchester (Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns 1754-1930 [Cathedral]).   The 1871 England Census shows he is now known as John COLUMBINE, with wife Emma and mother-in-law, Mary LEEK (RG10/4044/145, p.17).......the name persists through 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911, the latter enumeration showing he is a Widower. 

PS:  Incidentally, the 1851 Census quotes him as COLUMBINE.

Then on 16/07/1924 (Find A Grave Index, 1300s - Current) a John C. BARNASCONI is buried in the Philips Park Cemetery, Miles Platting, Manchester.   Is this the 1963 gentleman who married Emma LEEK?   And, if so, why did he change his name to COLUMBINE?   Or, is COLOBINE that famous clerical error?

It would be marvellous if someone could provide a solution 8)   Also, if an 1861 England Census entry could be found would be more than helpful

For the moment,

BAC3

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:29 GMT (UK) »
hi,,,do the other people buried with him not give you a clue?  it is a family grave ?

Cemetery   Section   Grave   Position   Deceased
Philips Park Cemetery   FConsecrated   859   1   John C Barnasconi
Philips Park Cemetery   FConsecrated   859   2   Rose Pattison
Philips Park Cemetery   FConsecrated   859   3   Emma Pattison
Philips Park Cemetery   FConsecrated   859   4   Charles Patteson
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:44 GMT (UK) »

First name(s)   CHARLES
Last name   PATTISON
Marriage quarter   2
Marriage year   1907
Registration month   -

EMMA COLUMBINE,
District   CHORLTON
District number   -
County   Lancashire
Country   England
Volume   8C
Page   1755
Record set   England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Who does he name as his father when he marries Emma?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Could this be a relative, married same year and location?

Marriages Jun 1863   
BARNASCONI    Sarah Colonbine        Manchester    8d   305

Her name spelt Colonbine as well!

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Giggsy

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

He named his father as Charles BARNASCONI according to the records.

The references to the deceased PATTISON/PATTESON are confusing!!

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 20:59 GMT (UK) »
1861

1 Back Verdon Street (cellar), Manchester
MAry Collombine 52 widow charwoman bn Manchester
William 25 son Married filer in mechanical foundry bn Manchester
Elizabeth 26 dtr in law umbrella maker
John 18 son something in mechanical foundry
Sarah 15 dtr

Is this John C B and Sarah C B ?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 21:03 GMT (UK) »
1851
13 Johnson Lane Manchester
Mary Columbine  widow 42 Charwoman
William 15
John 8
Sarah 5
Charles Barrow lodger

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Manchester: John COLUMBINE, born c1844
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 07 December 16 21:06 GMT (UK) »
did John have a daughter called Emma?  is that her marriage?  if so,,,,then the John in the grave would be your man?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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