Looking for help to confirm a date of death for Susannah Wright (b.1850)

[rosie99]

Probate states Otto Johannes Herrlich  died 3 Sept 1900 in Johannesburg, South Africa

[amondg]

He died 1900 Johannesburg South Africa, probate to wife/widow Emilie 306 pounds.

[SarahEliza]

Thank you Amondg. I'll look into the death of the Susannah Wright who died in Surrey in 1939. Yes, that's definitely worth a look. I didn't know about that.

I knew about the connection to the Duke family i.e. Susannah's sister Sarah and her husband Edward Duke. I knew that Susannah and the children lived with them in Thames Ditton for a while. Thank you for looking into it and confirming this.

I didn't mention a name before, but Mabel's wild guess is correct. I knew that a few years after Susannah's last child Roland was born, O. J. H. did eventually marry (in the late 1880s) a woman called Emilie with a similar social background to himself and they had one child (a daughter born in 1890). However, he died in Johannesburg, whilst on some sort of business trip in 1900. I only found out when and where he died very recently myself. I researched his family in Germany i.e. his parents Carl August Herrlich and Bertha Weber, a while ago. I would like to find out what happened to Susannah, but I'm hoping that it is good outcome, rather than being cast out into poverty or struggle for years. 

Many Thanks,
Sarah.



 

[rosie99]

The Susanna Wright who died in Surrey in 1939 is possibly Susanna Sandys the wife of Samuel George Wright.
The free search on 1939 register for a Susanna/h Wright in that area shows  a Susannah bn 1852 in Esher UD also living with Susannah -Louisa E Wright bn c1875 & Alice W Wright c1896

These births would tie in
WRIGHT, LOUISA  EMMA     mmn SANDYS     
1875  June Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 181

WRIGHT, ALICE  WINIFRED     mmn SANDYS     
1896  June Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 342

[Ladyhawk]

The free search on 1939 register for a Susanna/h Wright in that area shows  a Susannah bn 1852 in Esher UD also living with Susannah -Louisa E Wright bn c1875 & Alice W Wright c1896

I tried free search 1939 using dob given from Susannah WRIGHT’s baptism 06 01 1854
there was no Susannah WRIGHT

the only other two persons showing with that dob were

Susannah Ainge 1854 – Warwickshire
Mary Betteridge also on this record

Susan Guthrie 1854 – Wandsworth

I know she would have been getting on in years but have you eliminated this marriage
Marriages Jun 1901   

COLLINS    Minnie Harriet       
Smith    Albert John       
Walters    Henry       
Wright    Susannah       
Croydon    2a   621

Try looking for Susanna Walters in 1911   

Deaths Mar qtr 1936   
Walters    Susannah   age  79   
Croydon    2a   887

1911c shows Susannah Walters pob Cobham Surrey
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW82-5GR

I think although the yob is not exact Rosie's find looks promising

Mabel mentions the girls middle name Gilmore have you found a connection with that surname? 

Kate Gilmore WRIGHT born 24th July 1882 bpt 11th April 1883 St Mark Surbiton
mother Susannah WRIGHT, Abode The Cottage Weston Green Thames Villa

[SarahEliza]

Thanks everyone for your help with all this. It seems that the Susannah Wright who died in Surrey in 1939 can be ruled out then.

It's possible that the 1854 date of birth isn't exact anyway. It's more like 1850, because that would fit around births of other siblings. Thanks Rosie. Your suggestion that she married in 1901 seems plausible. I didn't know what I expected to find or still may find out about what happened to Susannah, due to her unusual circumstances in the years prior to 1891. Hopefully, if she married, this was a good outcome.

Many Thanks,
Sarah.   

[Ladyhawk]

The date of birth isn't exact. It's more like 1850, because that would fit around births of other siblings.

  Is the date of birth 6th Jan on Susannah’s 1854 baptism at Cobham incorrect then?

Were her parents Abraham & Susannah?

This looks to be her birth on GRO Indexes mmn MURRY

Susannah WRIGHT  1854  M Quarter in EPSOM  Volume 02A  Page 13
Cobham registration is in the district of Epsom

1861c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MG-R7N4

[SarahEliza]

Yes, this is her. They were her parents and her mother's maiden name was Murray. However, I was led to believe that Susannah was born closer to 1850 than 1854 when she was baptised and that she was very close in age to her brother William, whom she named her son after. This could be wrong of course. There is a lot of misinformation and there are a lot of rumours surrounding all this. There is quite a bit of misinformation on census records in relation to Susannah and her family and there is some incorrect information entered on the five children's birth and marriage certificates.

I doubt whether I'll get to the bottom of this, so I'll probably leave it alone for a while, though it now appears that Susannah married Henry Walters in 1901. 

Many Thanks.

[Ladyhawk]

Yes, this is her. They were her parents and her mother's maiden name was Murray.

I was led to believe that Susannah was born closer to 1850 than 1854, when she was baptised and that she was very close in age to her brother William, whom she named her son after. I could be wrong.

There are so many misleading facts and rumours.

In the 1871 census for example, her birthplace is given as Essex, which is wrong.

There is incorrect information on some of her family's birth certificates. I definitely know this.

I doubt whether I'll get to the bottom of this, so I'll probably leave it alone for a while.

Many Thanks.

I was looking at this 1871 census (as she's Susan Wright on 1861 census with parents)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRN7-LJM
Susan Wright pob is Cobham age 20 born c1851 

Please come back and let us know if you solve the mystery