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Hi guys.

Just a quick request for some help and affirmation that I am not going mad.

Does the status of Mary (I think Steer) read as concubine to anyone else? If so is this is just an enumerator completely misunderstanding things or did I miss something in my Victorian history classes?

I'm also trying to make out the status of Mary and her children- I can read the occupation of Richard (mason), but not of any of the others. I think the second half of the line may read "Mary's child" for the offspring, but am not certain.

Any help most gratefully received.


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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:10 BST (UK) »
Looks like concubine to me  ;D
I think it also reads Masons daur -Base child against the children
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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:11 BST (UK) »
Isn't Mary's occupation Housekeeper - Strumpet  ::)
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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:15 BST (UK) »
Oh dearie me. She did later claim to have married Richard and the children took his surname.

Looks like they "lived in sin".

Thank you very much for the help rosie99


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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:16 BST (UK) »
Housekeeper & Strumpet I think 

Wonder if she was related to the enumerator  ;D
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Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:21 BST (UK) »
Mary - concubine = a woman who cohabits with a man she is not legally married -especially one regarded as socially or sexually subservient
Occupation  Housekeeper & Strumpet ( Strumpet often used to describe female prostitute but also used to describe Mistress -as in this case)
all children -Mason's daughter (so child of Richard head of household occ mason) - base child + base born =illegitimate

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much suzard

It's a headache now trying to find the mother's family and any of the baptisms for the children. *facepalm*  This line already had its fair share of criminals and illegitimate children.

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your help with this. Off to track this branch now!

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 18:50 BST (UK) »
OHHH, although she was down as 'Concubine' I thought that most men thought they were important so that was ok  :D but.......

I wasn't prepared for 'Strumpet'  :o as I thought it said her occ. was Housekeeper & House Sevt  ;D but that line is crossed out so what does that mean, she's not a 'Strumpet'  ???

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