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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:00 BST (UK) »
UD,

Richard is openly admitting the kids are his.

Where were the children born (can't make it out)?

I haven't had an illegitimate English/Irish/Welsh or other birth/baptism (yet) i.e. not sure what would be on the cert?...I only have Scottish illegitimacy.

Would be interested to know?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosinh,

They were all born in Jacobstow, with Mary coming from Week, St Mary. Mary's daughter Elizabeth went on to have two illegitimate children before marrying my ancestor. I cannot find baptisms under either Ferrett or Steer for any of the four children.

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:20 BST (UK) »
And I cannot believe someone would have put her occupation down as "strumpet" either.

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:26 BST (UK) »

 but that line is crossed out so what does that mean, she's not a 'Strumpet'  ???


Possibly because it wasn't one of the official categories of occupations?
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE


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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks Stevie,

Just got that as I was posting!

Elisabeth (as on 1851 spelling) Sheer

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKJ-MM7

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 April 17 19:43 BST (UK) »
Possible older child who may have died.......

Transcription a bit wonky but could fit possibly (if it is an error)  ???

Richard Terkeet Sheer

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2N3T-D2P

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 01:16 BST (UK) »

 but that line is crossed out so what does that mean, she's not a 'Strumpet'  ???


Possibly because it wasn't one of the official categories of occupations?
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 01:17 BST (UK) »
Possibly the line through Strumpet would be red on the original paperwork which was just a checking mark not necessarily a crossing out

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Trying to decipher this 1851 census entry- does that read as "concubine" ?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 05 April 17 01:42 BST (UK) »
Suzard,

Probably to remind himself to look it up just as I had to do.....

I'd never come across that word 'Strumpet' in my entire life in text.

I had heard it 'used loosely' many moons ago, never gave it a thought as to the meaning so looked it up today.

Isn't genealogy fun, has it's own dictionary too  ;D

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"