Yay! Found them at last! (DWAN)

[Tati]

I'm drawing a near blank in 1891    

This should be William:
RG12/375
Folio 24 p. 40
Bermondsey St James
174 New Church Street

Jane Carter, head, wid, 60, b. London Stepney
Christopher Slayford, son in law, 33, Artist and Glass Master, b. Birmingham Ashton
Emily do. dau, 35, Shirt & Collar Ironer b. London Bermondsey
Christopher do., grandson, 9, b. London Hatcham
Charles do., grandson, 7, b. do.
Alice do., granddau, 3, b. London Newcross
William do., grandson, 11 mths, b. do.
William Dwan, son in law, 22, Coal porter & Geeral Labourer, b. London Bermondsey
Alice Dwan, dau, 22, b. do.
Arthur Dwan, grandson, 4, b. do.
Elizabeth Dwan, granddau, 2, b. do.
George Dwan, grandson, (1 mth?), b. do.
 
And Thomas:
RG12/371
Folio 103 p. 8
Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
4 Brandon Street

Thomas Dwan, head, 44, Leather Dresser, b. Bermondsey
Sarah Ann, wife, 42, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 13, scholar, b. do.

Don't know where James and George are hiding!

Tanja  

[Tati]

This could be James after all (I'm seeing Rotherhithe is the same reg Dist as Bermondsey - St Olave Southwark) - still in 1891

RG12/384
Folio 119 p. 15
Rotherhithe Christchurch, London

25 Gilham Court

James Dwan, head, 29, General Labourer, b. London Rotherhithe
Elizabeth, wife, 31, b. do.
James, son, 3, b. do.

 
and George:
RG12/385
Folio 6 p. 6
Rotherhithe Christchurch, London

76 Paradise St Court (?)

George Dwan, head, 38, Labourer, b. Rotherhithe
Mary, wife, 37, Seamstress, b. do.
Nelly, dau, 10, scholar, b. do.
George, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Edward, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Lizzie, dau, 3, scholar, b. do.

Tanja     

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Tanja, thank you SO much for all that. I nip downstairs for dinner and you've found all this lovely information by the time I get back! Thank you!

That is William with wife Alice Eliza Carter/Dwan. I wonder if they were all living there or if some of them were just visiting. Busy house otherwise! I know most about these as they were my g-grandfather's parents. Arthur was the eldest of 11 children!

I found Thomas as "Thomas Down" - one of the more obvious transcriptions.

That looks very much like James, too. His wife was formerly Elizabeth Graham, so it fits.

And last but not least, George. This is the most interesting one for me, as I thought his wife's name was Emma! Now I can scratch many possible relatives off my list... and put them on my tree!

Thank you very much for all that, Tanja.  You're a star. I can't thank you enough.

[Tati]

Hi Vicky,

here's George in 1901:

RG13/400
Folio 17 p. 27
Rotherhithe Christchurch, London

11 Roney (?) St

George Dewan, head, 48, General labourer, b. Bermondsey
Mary, wife, 44, (Sack?) Mending/Canvas, b. Rotherhithe
Thomas, son, 18, General labourer, b. do.
Edward, son, 16, Labourer Stone Work / Mason Lab, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 13, b. do.
Mary, dau, 10, b. do.
William, son, 5, b. do.

  Wonder if George and Thomas are one and the same boy...

Tanja   
 

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Thanks for that, Tanja. I didn't know that he had a son called Thomas and by discovering an Edward, you might just have identified the "cousin Ted" we have in an old photo.

George and Thomas are two different people, trust me. Thomas was born in 1849 and George in 1854. Thomas married Sarah Ann Saunders in 1873 and George's wife is... well, a mystery at the moment. We had her down as Emma Allen, so not sure who this Mary is!

Thanks again for everything,
Vicky

[Tati]

  I was actually talking about George's children Thomas age 18 in 1901 and George age 9 in 1891!
Wonder whether they always named their children like their siblings just to give us headaches!

Tanja       

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I was actually talking about George's children Thomas age 18 in 1901 and George age 9 in 1891!
Wonder whether they always named their children like their siblings just to give us headaches!

They've given me a headache already! I see what you mean now, sorry about that.

I'm starting to come round to the idea of banning names and referring to everyone by a number instead.

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Just to stop anyone from looking...

Have got James Dwan (born 1863) on the 1901 census. He's a waterside labourer. He died in 1906 in an accident at Victoria Docks - finding out about his death is our next mission. Have found the reference for his death certificate, so looks like it's more money for the GRO. His children were James (1889), William (1895) and Elizabeth (1899) - so your theory is definitely right, Tanja!

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Just to be thorough... I've located William on the 1901 census, too. He was a Divan!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,77318.msg320457.html#msg320457