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Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« on: Tuesday 18 April 17 10:12 BST (UK) »
Joseph William Hill (or maybe William Hill) born 1841. Hornsey, London.
Did he marry Sarah Hart 8th Dec 1862 or was it (Sarah Dordoy 8th Dec 1862 as shown on a  marriage cert).
I've researched Ancestry and it shows he married both at the same time?
Then it shows he married Sarah Dordoy in 1877.

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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 11:40 BST (UK) »
Hi are we looking at two different families here ? I might be missing something but the only marriage I see is 8th December St Thomas Bethnal Green Tower Hamlets
Joseph Wiliam Hill age 22 Bachelor occupation carpenter ..father Joseph Hill ( carpenter ) address hard to make out 2,Anglies Gardens ?
Spouse Sarah Elizabeth Dordoy age 20 spinster father George Dordoy (currier )
Address New Hall Street  same address as 1861 census
Witnesses again not sure of correct name William Thornecroft, Elizabeth Elderidge

Are you going on information from tree's on Anc...? 

What parents do you have for this couple

Rosie

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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 13:13 BST (UK) »
WILLIAM JOSEPH Hill
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1841, Lambeth St Mary
Father's name: JOSEPH Hill
Mother's name; ELIZABETH
Fathers Occp Carpenter
Born 9 Sept 1840
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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 13:18 BST (UK) »
WILLIAM JOSEPH Hill
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1841, Lambeth St Mary
Father's name: JOSEPH Hill
Mother's name; ELIZABETH
Fathers Occp Carpenter
Born 9 Sept 1840

He does seem to be in the census forms as William Hill  :-[ but I don't see any more marriages

Rosie


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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 13:25 BST (UK) »
1861 Census
Newhall St, Islington St Mary
RG9/144/66/40
Joseph Hill, 49, Head, Mar, Carpenter and Joiner, born Warwickshire
Elizabeth Hill, 53, Wife, Mar, born Massingham, Norfolk
Thomas Hill, 24, Son, Unm, Carpenter, born Islington, Middlesex
Ann Hill, 23, Daug, Unm, born Hoxton, Middlesex
WILLIAM Hill, 20, Son, Unm, Carpenter, born Clerkenwell, Middlesex******
Henry Hill, 15, Son, Carpenter, born Islington, Middlesex

From Gro Index;
HILL, WILLIAM  JOSEPH, Mothers maiden name GOODRUM***
GRO Reference: 1840  D Quarter in ST JAMES CLERKENWELL  Volume 03  Page 3

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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 13:33 BST (UK) »
1851 in Islington;
Joseph Hill, 37, born Warwickshire
Elizabeth Hill, 40
Thomas Hill, 14
Ann Hill, 13
WILLM Hill, 10
Henry Hill, 5

Marriage;
Joseph HILL and Elizabeth GOODRUM
24 November 1834, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London

1881 Elizabeth is a Widow living with Son Thomas, born c 1808 Massingham, Norfolk
1871 she is Hassingham.

1841 St James, Clerkenwell
Joseph Hill, 29, Carpenter
Elizabeth Hill, 32
Thomas Hill, 5
Ann Hill, 3
William Hill, 9mths
Only Children born in County

1871 JOSEPH Hill is born c 1803 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire
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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 April 17 14:36 BST (UK) »
Pretty sure this is your Elizabeth.

LIZZY Goodrum Christened 7 December 1806, Hassingham, Norfolk
Parents SAMUEL/MARY Goodrum
Mother nee MONTFORD
Born 7 Dec
Siblings Baptisms
SARAH 12 March 1809
MARY 18 April 1813, Father a Labourer
(Source FreeREG)
F/S has;
JOHN Goodman 13 Aug 1815
EMILY ANNE Goodrum 26 Jan 1823
WILLIAM MURDFORD Goodwin 15 May 1825
All have Parents as SAMUEL/MARY

This appears to be William with his Mother in Hassingham, Norfolk in 1841 Census;
Mary Goodram, 55
William Goodram, 15
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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 11:37 BST (UK) »
Hi are we looking at two different families here ? I might be missing something but the only marriage I see is 8th December St Thomas Bethnal Green Tower Hamlets
Joseph Wiliam Hill age 22 Bachelor occupation carpenter ..father Joseph Hill ( carpenter ) address hard to make out 2,Anglies Gardens ?
Spouse Sarah Elizabeth Dordoy age 20 spinster father George Dordoy (currier )
Address New Hall Street  same address as 1861 census
Witnesses again not sure of correct name William Thornecroft, Elizabeth Elderidge

Are you going on information from tree's on Anc...? 

What parents do you have for this couple

Rosie

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Re: Tracing Joseph William Hill 1841 Hornsey, London - marriage
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 11:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks Rosie,
I have been getting my info from public trees on Ancestry.

I'll read all that has been posted here as well....confusing.