Ellen Burke

[chempat]

Simple things are best.

She was married under Atkin, therefore she was born under Atkin (birth reference given).

Her father's occupation on the marriage certificate was implement maker or engineer - NOT master mariner.

His name was James (from marriage certificate)

Ellen was born to James Atkin and Margaret Feeney (in Blackburn),  Census 1891 for family quoted.

Ellen's Father, James Atkin, is the son of James Atkin and the brother of Elizabeth Atkin who marries Joseph Wilkinson.  (1871 census quoted previously.)

As Joseph and Elizabeth Wilkinson did not have children, they may have shown extra interest in their niece.

Quote 'This sibling of Eliza is the one to look for I think.'

You mean the sibling of Elizabeth, and that is precisely what we have found for you.

Next time you post any query, could you please reference any additional information that is in your previous postings, not leave it to cath151 to point out?

[heywood]

Hi coomara,
I agree with chempat. This is from your other thread.

Thanks for all the replies - a huge help. I think the school would be The Mount School - it seems most likely, and that there are just  the boarders shown. Ellen was 23 when she married in 1913, father: James Atkin, Mechanical Engineer. All her children are now dead and much of the info is family chat, but she was reputed to have been born in Lancashire and her birth name was Wilkinson. One of the witnesses at the wedding is Elizabeth Wilkinson and Ellen named her first daughter Elizabeth. Atkin seems to have paid her an allowance and left her money in addition to her taking his name - seems like the actions of a father? I am following up on Arthur, thanks.

What information do you have re the support from James Atkin. It looks to me that he was her real father and she was educated by her aunt.
Is there an address on the marriage certificate?

Heywood

[heywood]

Is this Elizabeth?

Probate record:

Elizabeth Wilkinson, born about 1855, died  18th November 1937 - address is St Annes on Sea. She is a widow and probate was granted to Margaret Ann Atkin, spinster.

See earlier posts re Margaret Ann and check 1911 census as advised by chempat.

[Coomera]

Well, I started a post and it suddenly vanished. I can't find it anywhere so hope this is not a double up. Thank you - I now have a clear path to follow and should have no difficulties. My apologies for not referring to my previous post - realize this was an error on my part.
Now, Ellen's husband - Arthur Burke. I have no problems with his history which goes back to 18th.century Ireland. Born into a Preston mill worker family but chose to be a Draper's Asst. First child born 1914 at Lytham. Joined the navy late 1915, discharged early 1916 (medical grounds). 2nd child born early 1918 at Blackburn, Arthur a commercial traveller in ladies' clothing. 1922, the whole family living at Cuckfield, West Sussex, Arthur a manufacturer's agent. Three girls born, 1922, '24, '26. Just after the birth of the younger child Arthur leaves his wife of 13 years, his five children, and is never seen or heard of again. He even neglected to register the birth of his youngest daughter. I have checked the shipping records but he seems not to have left the country and also the 1939 survey with little success.Have not checked if he was a guest of her majesty. The navy added his mother's maiden name to make him Arthur Taylor Burke, but only one of the children used this and none of the girls.
So, whatever happened to Arthur Burke? Of course, this is not easy but I have great faith in Roots Chat to solve the very difficult!   John.

[chempat]

You have neglected to state his year of birth.

From other posts, Arthur Burke here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757766.msg6079159#msg6079159

and here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755987.0

These are Arthur Burke births:
Births Jun 1890
Arthur Burke     Haslingden (so fits with DOB from another post)   
Births Dec 1890
Arthur Burke     Wolverhampton    
Births Mar 1891
 Arthur Burke       Warrington   

but not Preston?

Have you cross-referenced all possible deaths?

[heywood]

Just to clarify, father Edward was the Preston mill worker.
Arthur was born Accrington, June quarter, 1890 and registered Haslingden.

It is interesting re the births of the daughters in Cuckfield. I can see the two you refer to in registrations, but not a third. You say he 'neglected' to register the birth but the mother could have registered the birth. Were the couple definitely together at the time?

[Coomera]

Sorry, yes he is the Accrington  Arthur Burke. his DOB was 9.3.1890.
Regarding Cuckfield I only had this by word of mouth, but the third daughter (Violet) was born 1926 and when she applied for her OAP there was no record of her, which caused some problems! Whether Arthur copped the blame for not registering her, as he was no longer around, or if it was just an oversight it is hard to say. Certainly Ellen, having not long having given birth and with three children under five plus the two boys, would be forgiven if she neglected to do it, especially as her husband had just left her. The girls, who did not use the names that were registered to them, always claimed that their father did not register them under the names agreed with Ellen.      john.

[heywood]

I can't see a likely death for him and even if he was in an institution of some kind, there would still be a death registration I think.

There is a newspaper report 1923 but I don't have access where Arthur Taylor Burke seems to be involved in an assault in Cuckfield.

[despair]

You say Violet was not registered.Is it a coincidence then,that a similar name* Burke mmn ,Wilkinson,is registered in Leeds in 1926?

* in case this is a different person and still alive.
Regards
Roger