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Offline Malcolm55

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Re: Will Translation
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 August 17 10:00 BST (UK) »
A beerhouse licence was purchased from Excise, not granted by magistrates. The Beerhouse Act 1930 enabled anyone to brew and sell beer on payment of two guineas for a licence while the Beerhouse Act 1940 required licensees to own and occupy the premises at which they sold beer. Albeit 60 years earlier and there will have been later amendments to the legislation, it seems probable there would have been a property involved in your sale, boscoe.

It may be worth contacting the Hampshire Genealogical Society: https://www.hgs-familyhistory.com. Southampton archives can be found here: http://www.southampton.gov.uk/libraries-museums/local-family-history/southampton-archives/.





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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 August 17 22:35 BST (UK) »
I have another will question: what is/are "leaseholds"?

This 1890 will says:
Gross value is L 126
Net value [-----lined out; replaced with written] "Leaseholds"

The dictionary says that it is leased property. That makes little sense for a working class railroad man to have. How would someone acquire a leaseholds?

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Re: Will Translation
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 17 August 17 15:23 BST (UK) »
Very basically:

Freehold = the land something is on and the thing on it
Leasehold = just the thing on the land, with someone else owning the land

So - if you own a house it is usually as freehold - eg you own the house and the land it is on.

Whereas - if you own a flat it is usually leasehold, ie you cant own the land/roof/etc as that is common for all the flat owners. Often it is owned by a third party - the freeholder - to whom a ground rent is paid. Sometimes the leaseholders all together form a separate Company and buy  the freehold, with each leaseholder owning a share in the Company

Often, on older documents, farms etc are said to be leasehold - so the person owns the buidings etc (does not rent them, not a tenant)  but pays a ground rent to the freeholder, usually the local landowner or sometimes the Crown.
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Re: Will Translation
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 August 17 22:21 BST (UK) »
Very clear. Many thanks to you both. In this case, Liz, the item of leasehold is not stated. But I am very suspicious. The 1890 will was my great grandfather, and I suppose he had a lease (as we call it) on his house. It seems reasonable since his wife lived there until her 1902 death. That is, the 1890 will said to her, no money but a leased home to live in. But the 1902 will is nonsensical. So probably the 1890 leasehold idea has nothing to do with 1902.
And, Malcolm, I did contact Southampton's library knowing from my visit many years ago there that they had a wonderful collection for genealogical searches. They directed me to Portsmouth's city library that never answered my simple question. So, I'll try your genealogical reference. During the interim, interestingly, I was informed about the idea of Poget's Directory.


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Re: Will Translation
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 August 17 19:25 BST (UK) »
The interesting question (to me) is what does 'leaseholds' mean when written on an 1890 grant of probate with the 'net value' struck out. I've seen grants of that era with 'no leaseholds' written on them and had not concerned myself too much with something that the testator did not have! I had also assumed that 'leaseholds' was an abbreviated form of 'leasehold properties', i.e. the testator owned (or did not own) a leasehold property. A clue might lie in the nature of death duties at the time (I have an idea that leasehold properties were taxed separately). Are there no clues in the Will itself?
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Re: Will Translation
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 August 17 00:36 BST (UK) »
No. After the Gross....L126:0:0 the penned is         (33rd section)
Below is Net Value lined out with penned                Leasehold or Leaseholds [end stroke up-down]

Initially, I believed that he simply leased their home for her abode. But, when she died with the will owing so much(L 800+) and her son, also a rail worker transferring a beerhouse license several months later, I began to wonder. After 1890 she works as a "general nurse" (care giver) not as a beerhouse proprietor. Yet, in 1901 she claims to be "independent." Strange.
Many thanks for the help.