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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:03 BST (UK) »
I wonder if the connection is through Annie (wife of Angus Noble)?

Does anyone know what her maiden name was?

I personally don't think 'Edward' Noble exists although the surname 'Noble' does seem to have some sort of connection  ???

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:10 BST (UK) »
Ahh...got it now, just scrolled back as I was sure I'd seen it somewhere!

Just in case the Margaret Cameron boarding with Angus and Annie turns out to be the right Margaret, Annie was nee Ross, and Annie's mother was a Margaret Ross nee Cameron.  I'm thinking that makes boarding Margaret a niece? Cousin? 
After digging in Scotlandspeople, I found a seemingly well sourced tree showing the above at http://pardoes.info/jandap2016/2037.htm although Angus and Annie had more children than what is shown.
Perhaps Maggie did marry an Edward Noble, but not officially, as they were related somehow?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:39 BST (UK) »
"Peter Noble   61
Jane Noble   59
Francis R M Noble   25
Alice Noble   24
Henry A Noble   21
Edward W Noble   15

BUT, Edward married an Isabel and lived in Quebec, Canada. They had a daughter named Isabel and they moved back to Fraserburgh so he could enlist in the war, during which he died in 1918"

When & where did Edward W Noble marry?

You would think if that Edward was the 'husband' why was his middle initial not included?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:41 BST (UK) »
In 1891 Nairn there is a Margaret Cant, servant, 24, born Edinkillie Moray (born 1867).

In 1881 Rafford there is a Margaret Cant born Forres Moray, 1867 working as a dairymaid.

Birth of a Margaret Cant 21 May 1866 Edinkillie, Moray to Margaret Cant (no father so most likely illegitimate)

Don't see her past 1891 so far.  Perhaps this is the mother of Margaret Cameron.


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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:49 BST (UK) »
Sorry, not following... we don't think our Maggie is the one born of Margaret Cant now? Even though on Simpson St? Or still possible?

I had been working on the Noble tree to try and make a connection, and although it does have the Cameron's in Annie Ross's side, I have not got a Margaret or Maggie yet:
https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/tree/115452461/family?cfpid=310142366588
(not sure if you can see that?)

I don't believe Edward W is the relation. He married Isabel in Quebec, Canada. I also found a relative of his who had DNA done and she was not a match with my mother, cousin or I.  I feel like Maggie made up a dad...
Swinbourne, Hunt, Maxwell, Taylor, Williamson, Burt, Cant, Cameron, Leavesly, Cooper, Rankine, Taylor, Anderson

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 19 September 17 23:55 BST (UK) »
Uh oh.
I was looking for the Mary Ann Cameron in Nairn that was raising the Maggie (Cosmac posted the 1891 census for this).
There is a Mary Ann Cameron, Nairn, that married a Peter Fraser also in 1891, and in the 1901 census for them it looks like Maggie was still with them, as a Fraser, which means she wasn't the one with Ann and Angus?  Gah! This is all so confusing.

Peter Fraser    40
Mary Ann Fraser    33
Maggie Fraser    13
Hugh Fraser    9
James Alexander Fraser    7
Mary Jane Jessie Fraser    5
Elizabeth Fraser    3
Martha Johnstone Fraser    2
Christina McRae Fraser    1 Mo



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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:00 BST (UK) »
In 1891 Nairn there is a Margaret Cant, servant, 24, born Edinkillie Moray (born 1867).

In 1881 Rafford there is a Margaret Cant born Forres Moray, 1867 working as a dairymaid.

Birth of a Margaret Cant 21 May 1866 Edinkillie, Moray to Margaret Cant (no father so most likely illegitimate)

Don't see her past 1891 so far.  Perhaps this is the mother of Margaret Cameron.

I think this is her as well, and there is a possibility that she is the Margaret Cant that married George Henry Antcliffe in 1892 way down in Nottingham.  1911 census:

Name:    Margaret Antliff
Age in 1911:    44
Estimated birth year:    abt 1867
Relation to Head:    Wife
Gender:    Female
Birth Place:    Forres, Marayshire
Civil Parish:    Caunton
County/Island:    Nottinghamshire
Country:    England
Street address:    Caunton Nr Newark Notts
Marital Status:    Married
Registration district:    Southwell
Registration District Number:    431
Sub-registration district:    Kneesall
ED, institution, or vessel:    11
Piece:    20708

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:07 BST (UK) »
Birth of a Margaret Cant 21 May 1866 Edinkillie, Moray to Margaret Cant (no father so most likely illegitimate)

Don't see her past 1891 so far.  Perhaps this is the mother of Margaret Cameron.

I think this is the one I thought married John Falconer in 1895?...Reply #58

I haven't located them both in 1901 nor a death for Margaret.

In Scotland a married woman is recorded under both her maiden & marital surname on death but I couldn't find a death by inputting both surnames  ???

Sara, maybe Maggie quite fancied Edward & on being asked for details for the birth of Edna Daisy decided to use his name  :-\

Annie

Added...Just seen BB's post on alert but will leave as is for reference.

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #71 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:15 BST (UK) »
I think this is her as well, and there is a possibility that she is the Margaret Cant that married George Henry Antcliffe in 1892 way down in Nottingham.  1911 census:

Name:    Margaret Antliff
Age in 1911:    44
Estimated birth year:    abt 1867
Relation to Head:    Wife
Gender:    Female
Birth Place:    Forres, Marayshire
Civil Parish:    Caunton
County/Island:    Nottinghamshire
Country:    England
Street address:    Caunton Nr Newark Notts
Marital Status:    Married
Registration district:    Southwell
Registration District Number:    431
Sub-registration district:    Kneesall
ED, institution, or vessel:    11
Piece:    20708

Have you located them in 1901 to see who's at home with them?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"