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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:25 BST (UK) »
No daughters with Margaret and husband George Henry in 1901. 
I think the Margaret Cant that married John Falconer was born in 1871 and daughter of Alexander Cant and Jane Riach.
I thought that perhaps Margaret Cant born 1867 had daughter with Alexander Cameron and then let the Cameron side of the family take over her care.  Which could be true if Maggie Fraser was Maggie Cameron at birth but it muddies the picture about the Maggie Cameron with the Noble family in 1901.

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:26 BST (UK) »
Annie:

1901 census

Name    George Henry Antliff
Age    35
Estimated Birth Year    abt 1866
Relation to Head    Head
Gender    Male
Spouse    Margaret Antliff
Birth Place    Caunton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish    Caunton
Search Photos    Caunton, Nottinghamshire, England
Ecclesiastical parish    Caunton St Andrew
Town    Caunton
County/Island    Nottinghamshire
Country    England
Registration district    Southwell
Sub-registration district    Kneesall
ED, institution, or vessel    9
Piece    3194
Folio    97
Page number    2
Household schedule number    11
Household Members    
Name    Age
George Henry Antliff    35
Margaret Antliff    34  (birth just says Scotland)
Charles Edward Antliff    6
Jessie Antliff    4
Alexander Antliff    3
James Anthony Antliff    7/12

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:39 BST (UK) »
No daughters with Margaret and husband George Henry in 1901

Thanks (incl. BB)...that helps the process/progress doesn't it :D

I think the Margaret Cant that married John Falconer was born in 1871 and daughter of Alexander Cant and Jane Riach.

That's an eliminator 

I thought that perhaps Margaret Cant born 1867 had daughter with Alexander Cameron and then let the Cameron side of the family take over her care.

That seems the likely scenario.   

Which could be true if Maggie Fraser was Maggie Cameron at birth but it muddies the picture about the Maggie Cameron with the Noble family in 1901.

I'm a bit confused on this one  :-\ Kind of lost track on 1901 scenario i.e. can you please do a recap  ;D

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #75 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:46 BST (UK) »
The 1901 census for the Maggie Camerson with Angus and Ann says Maggie was born in Rafford, Elginshire, which matches that of the Margaret Ann, daughter of Robina Priest Cameron that (and I forget why) didn't match.
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/people/people_report_view.asp?REF_ID=NM284748

This is sooo confusing.  Taking a short break before my brain explodes!

(I still think the right Maggie is the daughter of Alexander).


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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #76 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 00:49 BST (UK) »
Oops, sorry Annie, meant to add this for you:

Harbour St intersects with Simpson St

1901
Name:    Margaret Cameron
Age:    13
Estimated birth year:    abt 1888
Relationship:    Boarder
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Rafford, Elginshire
Registration Number:    123
Registration district:    Nairn
Civil Parish:    Nairn
Town:    Nairn
County:    Nairnshire
Address:    18 Harbour St
Occupation:    Scholar
ED:    3
Household schedule number:    2
LINE:    10
Roll:    CSSCT1901_37
Household Members:    
Name    Age
Angus Noble    64
Annie Noble    50
John Noble    23
Margaret Cameron    13
George McLeod    28
James Free    30
Thomas Connell    59
William Noble    16

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #77 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 01:26 BST (UK) »
1891 Angus and Ann Noble are living at 10 Simpson street
At #9 there is a Mary Ann Cameron, 24, born Nairn, a cook and living with her is her niece
Margaret Cameron, 1 born Chapelton Moss, Moray.

Looking at everything...

Mary Ann Cameron would be the sister of Alexander Cameron (who we think) is the father of our Margaret Cameron.

Mother of Margaret (who we think is Margaret Cant) ends up in England marrying.

Not sure yet where Alexander is but it would seem normal a man working & sister helping out.

Living next door to the Nobles, probably very close whether or not related, wee Maggie somehow ends up with them probably when Mary Ann marries?

I think Margaret Cant is the likely mother  ???

Edit...The birth with Margaret Cant & Alexander Cameron gives specifically 'Chapelton Moss' as PoB.

Annie



 
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #78 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 01:48 BST (UK) »
I would check the 1911 Scottish census to see if Peter and Mary Ann Fraser have a Margaret Fraser still living with them.  I think it was suggested that Alexander's daughter continued to live with Mary Ann but took the Fraser name after Mary Ann's marriage to Peter.  There is a Maggie/Margaret Fraser with them in 1901 showing a birth in Nairn.  It has happened before where people are enumerated in two different households - one they are normally residing in and one they are temporarily visiting.  Interesting to know if Maggie Fraser is still in Scotland in 1911.

Border crossing for Maggie Noble shows she arrived March 1909 at port of St. John on the Empress of Ireland.  She departed from Liverpool, ticket 92221, age 20, departure date 26/02/1909 on Empress of Ireland.  This link gives the passenger list for the March 1909 arrival of the Empress of Ireland.  It's being finicky
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=14597&

A point to remember is the border crossing document gave her brother, Joseph Noble, of 9 Simpson Street, Nairn as her closest relative in Scotland.  Can't disregard the Simpson Street connection.

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #79 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 02:05 BST (UK) »
2 good points Cosmac...Is Maggie still in Scotland at either household actually & thinking the same, possibly enumerated at both in previous census'?

I did ask early on if anyone had checked out Joseph (which I forgot about).

Have you found Joseph on a passenger list to see when he left Scotland?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Maggie Cameron - Noble - Smith (Toronto and area)
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 20 September 17 02:07 BST (UK) »
Joseph is like Edward.... invisible.  :'(